Usyk should not be called 2 time undisputed heavyweight champion

Slyk · Oct 24, 2025 at 12:40 PM

I don't think anyone, Usyk included, cares about this mere technicality. He has been the Man of the division for some time now and there is no doubt about it. He was still undisputed when the WBA did their little bull****.

NahMateNoWay · Oct 24, 2025 at 12:44 PM

Yeah I get it.
There's something to be said for someone who can reach the top, lose it, and get themselves up mentally to reconquer.
Usyk hasn't had to do that through no fault of his own, and I don't think it matters much to be honest.

Wizbit1013 · Oct 24, 2025 at 1:53 PM

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Sir, I do not care - at all - how much money NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Boxing, Soccer/football, Tennis, Golf, etc., athletes earn. The Zuffa league, ran by Dana White and funded by Turki, will greatly improve the observer aspect of boxing and is actually BETTER for the LARGE MAJORITY of boxers because the league improves pay for the non-elite fighters AND improves matchmaking so that boxers actually fight best opponents instead of "other side of street" nonsense.

Yeah, thank GOD for Turki and Dana White. And those peeps that dont like Dana also love Haymon - who does t same damn thing but he does it for "his own" and that fanbase LOVES him. Hypocrisy is hilarious
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Just to clarify I think Al Haymon is a tosser just like Dana

bandeedo · Oct 24, 2025 at 2:19 PM

to me, seeing them recover their crown, after having lost it fair and square in the ring, is the only one that means much to me. getting it back, like in life, is a test of determination and spirit. we all take some hard falls in everything we do in life. some are broken, some jump right back on the horse for another amazing ride.

catchwtboxing · Oct 24, 2025 at 6:03 PM

He is, though.

Finkel · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:42 PM

Serge said: ↑

That's the amazing thing about Usyk. Not only is he a 3 x undisputed champion and 2 x undisputed HW champion he's also an undefeated dominant champion who never lost any of his belts in a ring

But hold your horses (not don't push the horses) because it gets even more impressive

He's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who won and unified all bar one of his belts in his opponent's backyards sans one which was still on the road

And he's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who has never been knocked down, discombobulatized or even badly hurt and in any danger of going down

And he's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who has never ducked anyone or certain styles who wins all his fights via the application of pure skill with zero use of dirty or illegal tactics, who is not an octopus or a cheetah, with zero deckstacking and trying to weaken, compromise or cripple his opponents at the negotiating table

And at HW vs fighter's way bigger than him and has fought loads of savage or legit punchers not just his size but way bigger than him

How many 1 x undisputed champs can you say all that about?

How many can you even say just won all their world titles in their opponent's backyards, especially in the four belt era? And obviously someone like Haney who is part octopus has literally never fought anyone close to his size winning 4 in one fell swoop in the much smaller very stylistically favourable one-hit wonder Kambosos' backyard isn't remotely close to being as impressive
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You know Lennox Lewis (British/Canadian) actually did this for all of his heavy weight world titles. I'm not sure it is particularly uncommon in history, either. Fighters go where the money is.

Lewis became WBC email champion through no fault of his own, but his first defense of the belt was in America against former IBF champion, Tony Tucker.

Lewis regained the WBC championship against Oliver McCall again in America.

Lewis picked up the Lineal title against Shannon Briggs in America.

Lewis fought the biggest fight of his career to become undisputed champion against Hollyfield in America.

Lewis fought the rematch also in America.

Lewis regained his titles against Rahman in America.

Usyk became undisputed and lineal heavyweight champion on neutral soil against Fury. Some may argue he was the financial B-side - which he was - but Usyk had also signed a multi-fight deal with the Saudis. So, it was a neutral venue.

Lewis is the actual two-time lineal heavyweight champion who did it on the road. Usyk is most definitely a road warrior, but he didn't actually do what Lewis did.

mrbigshot · Oct 24, 2025 at 11:22 PM

Dropping one belt to fight it back straight away from a guy you have already beaten while this guy not even defended it makes the undisputed pretty meaningless , sure.

But on paper usyk imho indeed is .

Serge · Oct 25, 2025 at 9:16 AM

Finkel said: ↑

You know Lennox Lewis (British/Canadian) actually did this for all of his heavy weight world titles. I'm not sure it is particularly uncommon in history, either. Fighters go where the money is.

Lewis became WBC email champion through no fault of his own, but his first defense of the belt was in America against former IBF champion, Tony Tucker.

Lewis regained the WBC championship against Oliver McCall again in America.

Lewis picked up the Lineal title against Shannon Briggs in America.

Lewis fought the biggest fight of his career to become undisputed champion against Hollyfield in America.

Lewis fought the rematch also in America.

Lewis regained his titles against Rahman in America.

Usyk became undisputed and lineal heavyweight champion on neutral soil against Fury. Some may argue he was the financial B-side - which he was - but Usyk had also signed a multi-fight deal with the Saudis. So, it was a neutral venue.

Lewis is the actual two-time lineal heavyweight champion who did it on the road. Usyk is most definitely a road warrior, but he didn't actually do what Lewis did.
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Lewis was never an undefeated + undisputed champion he had already been one punch iced in a couple of rounds by McCall in his backyard in his 3rd defence of the WBC crown and then he was one punch iced out again by Rahman in his 4th defence of the undisputed crown, both of whom Lewis was bigger and taller than with a longer reach. And then he retired after his 2nd defence after regaining his belts allowing Vitali to chase him out of the sport forever

He did lose his belts in the ring, twice, in fact, to smaller men

Lewis was a road warrior too but he was often the bigger or much bigger man not much or way smaller and the is also one of the biggest punchers in HW boxing history and his power was the great equalize

And travelling into your opponent's backyard drastically increases your chance of losing either via hook or crook and loses often affect your earning potential

Despite Lewis very often been the much or bigger man and being one of the biggest punchers in HW boxing history he was a very dirty fighter who would even utilize very dirty tactics against woefully overmatched and undersized bums who stood zero chance of winning. He should have at least one DQ loss on his ledger

Yes, the only belt Usyk didn't win in his opponent's backyard, as said, was Belly which was staged in Saudi by the man who is business partners with the promoter of one of his favourite fighters ie. Usyk's opponent and he made it very clear to not only to Team Usyk but everyone he desperately wantedthem to win so I'm not sure exactly how neutral it was over there

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Lewis was undisputed in the three-belt era not four and, as said, he was very often the much or bigger man and was not facing much bigger men, let alone savage punchers and legit bangers much bigger than him

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