Usyk targeting Wilder?

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  1. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Usyk is elite talent.

    Prime Wilder never proved he was more than B-grade talent... Lately he's looking miles off even that.
     
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  2. JusABoxinFan

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    Exactly. Which is why I don't understand why his name is being thrown out as the fight anyone is wanting for Usyk..... I'm even more clueless that I got any kind of push back in regards to expressing what his actual value is in the ring, realistically.
     
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  3. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder is a known name. I don’t think Usyk is afraid of Parker, but I do think he wants to maximize his paydays.
     
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  4. Reuben Jones

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    I respect what you're saying but Fury is clearly many, many levels above Parker, despite being a similar type of fighter. The gulf between them is enormous. Fury is the one heavyweight Usyk faced that came close to his level of skill. Fury was in the best shape possible physically and mentally for both fights, and It was a joy to watch two geniuses and their unique styles collide. I didn't score the fights but watching them at the time, I felt they were a lot closer than a lot of people on here did. Usyk definitely won the first... he took over once he busted Fury's nose and then unleashed that savage attack that concussed him. But I felt the 2nd fight was quite close. When you get two super talents facing one another, it often feels as if they cancel each other out, or take turns in dominating the rounds, if you get what I mean. Anyway I'm rambling now... but yeah, I can't really compare Fury to Parker due to the gulf in talent, plus the size difference, and I feel Fury has a bit more power.

    I feel like Usyk-Parker will be a boring, very one-sided shutout. I'm happy to be proven wrong, believe me. :D Nothing would please me more. And you're very welcome to be all like 'I told you so', haha. But I'm only going by some of Parker's previous performances. He got comfortably outboxed by Joshua, the first time Joshua ever used that style. A lot of people felt he was gifted a points decision against Ruiz. And Chisora 1. So, if you're not convincingly outboxing the likes of them, then you've got zero chance against Usyk. That just leaves the chance for a KO. Again, Parker is one of the last guys I'd rely on to get a KO, although I'm not saying it's impossible.
     
  5. BubblesUK

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    But is it, really?

    There's a massive gulf in hype, but they both have their strengths and weaknesses... Both dealt with Wilder easily (the one time Fury came in fully fit and prepared), both have good chins and recovery - and neither has great power.

    I don't think it's at all clear that there's a huge gulf between them - Parker is prime right now, if the two fought tomorrow I wouldn't be at all surprised if Joe won... Wouldn't bet on it, but that says it all, really.

    Fury at absolute peak (Wlad) was probably better, but that's a long time ago and it was a rare mistake-free performance by Fury's standards, something he openly admitted himself...
    Part of the problem with assessing exactly how good Fury is right now is he hasn't won a meaningful fight in a while...

    But there's issues with evaluating Fury as a whole, too - whilst the ability to completely change style to a more aggressive one was impressive, it also winds up with a lot of people creating this weird gestalt of Fury in their minds, where he's both slick and elusive AND able to be aggressive... The problem is, the two styles can't be combined in Fury - when he fights more aggressively he gets sloppier and gets hit a lot more easily, and when he goes slick and difficult to hit the power is lacking.

    Both versions are decent, but the mythical imagined version that hits quite hard whilst being slick and difficult to hit is what a lot of people seem to rate highly.

    On the contrary - I felt both fights were very clear, and on cards shouldn't have been as close as they were scored... Plenty of rounds were competitive and it was interesting to watch, but Usyk won very clearly.

    It's one of those cases where it can be relatively wide and yet still not a complete blowout.

    Again, I think a lot of that gap is illusory, and I don't think there's any difference in power worth speaking of - at least not when Fury knows he has to keep the mistake count as low as possible (which he did, by his standards, he was just inferior to Usyk in ring IQ especially).

    Maybe - but then Usyk-Fury pretty much was, but it was still interesting... And Usyk-Parker should be as well.

    It's more likely to be interesting than Kabayel, or anyone else for that matter - Usyks just levels above.

    A fair bit of that is a long time ago - Parker's improved since, so it's not necessarily the case.

    Still - sure, it's very unlikely he could beat Usyk... But he's easily the most deserving of a chance to try, easily the best legacy addition of the guys still available.

    It's the fight to make, really.
     
  6. BubblesUK

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    He's a known name, sure, but he was never a particularly big draw even at the peak of his hype... And now everyone knows he's been exposed and hasn't won a remotely decent fight in years - even the casuals know better than to buy that big a mismatch, surely?!