Usyk v Deontay Wilder, who ya got?

Okay, we'll see.

 

No where in particular!

Had a fairly rough time of late with my illness, just recently started to feel better.

I'll be back stirring the pot and making predictions in no time!

Hows it been going Chuck?

 

WTF are you talking about?

Wilder twice as skilled as Hunter? Are you drunken or taking some heavy drugs?

Hunter is better in every deparment apart from the power and speed.

LMAO

And Hunter isn't a weak puncher. He has good power but Wilder is probably Top 3 hardest hitters in the division so no reason to act tht everyone who hasn't the same power is "weak".

You clearly DKSAB.

 

If this were true why was Hunter completely ineffective against Usyk? If Hunter threw the straight right with proper technique like Wilder does he would've at least got Usyk's respect in the early rounds, but every time Hunter threw the straight right there was no hip rotation and he wouldn't turn the back foot, which is why despite landing flush straight rights on Usyk Hunter wasn't doing any damage. Usyk was standing right in front of Hunter and didn't even bother attacking using angles, since Hunter's firepower couldn't put a dent in a marshmallow. Usyk would never stand in front of Wilder like that.


Hunter's punching technique is no good, which is why he doesn't generate power and his timing needs a lot of work. Hunter's poor timing, punching technique, and sloppy footwork are what got him beat against Usyk, since every time Hunter would throw the uppercut to the body he threw the uppercut out of position, which is why it had no effect on Usyk and when he threw the left hook to follow up the uppercut he left his right hand down and Usyk would counter every time. Wilder has way better punching fundamentals than Hunter does and isn't as wasteful with his footwork. Hunter was taking 6-8 steps for every two steps Usyk takes, which is why he started gassing in the later rounds and Usyk was fresh.

Also, Wilder is one of the Top 3 hardest hitters in the division for a reason, which is that he has very good punching fundamentals.

 

2slyk will give him a boxing lesson

 

Good to hear! The league isn't the same with out ya. BTW sorry about your illness.

 

If Wilder had any level of punch resistance you’d have a point but he hasn’t has he!
The term Glass Canon could have been termed specifically for Wilder

Usyk isn’t a big puncher but he certainly has enough to stop Wilder “walking him down” and he has enough skill to get close to Wilder who doesn’t have the jab or a straight enough game to keep him off.

Wilder has fight ending power in his overhand right and he throws it often enough to get lucky against Usyk, therefore he has a good chance of winning by KO in the later rounds.
He’ll have to win that way because he will be behind on the cards, as he was against quite a number of his opponents who weren’t as skilled as Usyk.

50/50 fight for me
Either Usyk on points or Wilder by late stoppage

 

I'll be back to give you some serious competition!

Thanks Chuck!

 

Wilder can get away with this style because of explosiveness combined with height and reach. That's why he only fought small or slow opposition - to build up his padded record. Those fighters couldn't capitalize on those opportunities he leaves open due to lack och height, reach, speed and timing. Ortiz came closest and we all saw what happened then...

 

Usyk, like every other Wilder opponent, would have to be very sharp with his footwork and lateral movement to avoid Wilder for all 12 rounds.

Usyk is light years ahead of Wilder from a technical standpoint, but so are most boxers that Wilder has faced the past few years. All Deontay needs is to land one shot- and it doesn't necessarily have to be flush- to swing the pendulum in his favor. I favor Usyk to beat him by decision if he's alert for the full 12 rounds but a Wilder KO wouldn't surprise me against anyone. He's the hardest hitting puncher in all of boxing with such an unconventional style to him that adds to his danger.

 

Hunter was drained and skinny vs. Usyk, he isn't a hard and big hitting puncher anyway but fighting at CW doesn't help him at all. He did a good job vs. Usyk overall, he won 5 rounds on my card and did well although he has some flaws, no question.

Hunters footwork in general is two classes above Wilders. Wilder knows how to punch big with his right hand, yes but his footwork in general is awful. Take a look at the Ortiz fight (he did it better there) or rewatch the Szpilka fight where he was out of balance so many times and both of his feet were parallel to each other. Wilder has no fundamental boxing skills at all.

Throwing big SINGLE right hands like Wilder does has nothing to do with perfect footwork or boxing skills. If you say so please(!) rewatch the Stiverne 2 fight and take a look only at his footwork. I know there was no opponent in the ring and he hasn't to fear a big counter or punch coming back but still he isn't generating the massive power because of his perfect footwork or his punching technique. Actually his technique is really awkward but still effective as ****.

This is no hate towards Wilder. But i mean watch his fights. He isn't a talented boxer or something. He is all power and obviously a bit chin as we know since the Ortiz fight.

If we compare Hunter and Wilder in general, i think Hunter is the better boxer overall.

 

Hunter's footwork is a complete mess and inefficient. Hunter is a good athlete and I think he has potential, but his poor punching technique is going to make him a non factor against the best heavyweights.

Wilder's footwork and foot placement could use work, but his biggest problem is that he tries to punch while he moves, which is why he sometimes throws himself off balance. That said his footwork is still more efficient than Hunter's, since Wilder's much better at using less steps to get in position and time his punches, which is why his stamina holds up and why Hunter is often out energy and takes sometimes takes rounds off.

Also, the second Stiverne fight doesn't matter, since Stiverne showed up almost 20 lbs overweight. Wilder took the fight as joke and it was. Wilder after dropping Stiverne the first time felt sorry for Stiverne and tried to let Stiverne off the hook and didn't even want to fight him from the start due to Stiverne coming off a huge layoff, but Stiverne insisted and paid the price. Stiverne was given every chance to quit, but kept getting up. Stiverne was a talented fighter, but extremely lazy. In the summer of 2015 by old coach, who was 68 at the time sparred 3 rounds with Stiverne and told him he was a useless slob.

Szpilka was another guy Wilder didn't take very seriously, since Szpilka had no punching power. Whenever Wilder faces a fighter that can't punch he just loads up until he lands a big shot, which he did. Wilder is only careful with punchers like Stiverne (1st fight), who he went the distance with and Ortiz, who put up a good fight, but couldn't neutralize Wilder's straight right was knocked out because of it. Ortiz did use Wilder's sloppy footwork and defense to his advantage and went to Wilder's body, but besides Joshua, T. Fury, Usyk, Bellew, and Povetkin I can't think of any other heavyweights that have the footwork to effectively get to Wilder's body. Also, even though Oritz was getting to the body he had to pay a price, since Wilder started timing him with counter rights.

Also, if Wilder had no fundamental boxing skills how do you suppose he generates power? That statement made absolutely no sense. Nobody is trying to argue the Wilder is the next Larry Holmes, but his straight right and counter right are textbook and Wilder knows how to properly apply leverage behind his punches, which is why he is an effective puncher, so Wilder clearly has a very good grasp on the fundamentals of punching mechanics.

If Parker had decent punching fundamentals he would've been competitive with Joshua and probably beat Whyte, but he didn't and this is also the reason I don't see Hunter being very effective once he starts fighting top 10 competition at heavyweight, since Martin Ilunga wasn't even as a good a fighter as his older brother, so Hunter has a ways to go in proving he's a superior boxer to Wilder, which I just don't see.

 

You don't have to be a good boxer or a natural talent to generate power. Footwork is also overrated if it comes to SINGLE POWER PUNCHES. I do not say footwork is overrated in general but if we are talking about single punches footwork is definitely not the first factor deciding if it's powerful or not or effective or not. Punching mechanics is a thing or better say a word i would not specify in such a manner. Take a look at the UFC, a lot of guys there are hitting hard and they have no fundamental boxing skills. They know how to bring in the core, the shoulders and they are giving a **** on their footwork. Wilder is 100% power and height.

Wilders prolem is he came late to the sports and had a very short amateur career. He will get outboxed by any solid boxer with good ring iq and he will need his power to level things up or getting the upper hand to stop them.

I think Fury will put up a boxing lesson on him in Decemeber. If Fury works on his movement and loses some weight he will definitely jab Wilders head off and Wilder has absolutely no idea how to response.