Usyk v Wilder Potential semi final

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  1. Mitch87

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    Fury was a cherry pick gone wrong, saw him looking poor against two journeymen and out of shape and thought it was easy. Wilder even stated Fury didn't deserve the title shot and only fought in his worst because he'll sorry for him and admitted he turned down a bigger offer to fight AJ to do so.

    Ortiz? Best? Ortiz best wins are against an average Jennings and going life and death with Chalres Martin. Also turned down offers to fight AJ and Whyte to fight inferior opponents.

    Wilder Ducked Wlad, AJ and Whyte . Avoided the chance of unifying with Parker and avoided fighting Povetkin.
     
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  2. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Ok, pumpkin, but you don't confuse cruiser with heavy, right? As being good in one division doesn't necessarily mean you're good in the other. Being bad in one, doesn't mean you're not great in the other. Isn't that complicated... for some people at least. And I am not taking Usyk's achievements in the cruiser division, just can't give him big credits in the heavy so far.


    Yeah, keep thinking, might be productive some day.
     
  3. aaaaa

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    Off to a good start though isn't he with 2 wins over Joshua. Half of his fights in the division have been for 3 world titles.
     
  4. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Titles by themselves, 3, 4, 5 or more means nothing in a way. And no - he had only one title fight and one title defense. And that's what I am saying - he has only one top opponent in the heavy division - Joshua. Really outclassed him, but the two others were total bags - Chisora and Chazz. Usyk was unable to hurt any of those. But victory is a victory, no doubt. Now, tell me, how is one top opponent and two bags a good heavyweight legacy? That's why I am saying it's not good so far. If he goes with another 2-3 victories over Fury, Wilder, some other top guy, he no doubt will be a great heavyweight, but if. Otherwise will be a great boxer for his cruiser achievements, which is respectable enough.
     
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  6. aaaaa

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    Right - so if Golovkin moves up to 168 this weekend and beats Canelo - by your logic all the talk will be 'well he's had a great career but he's only had one fight at 168 so he's not had a good super middleweight career'

    As for the 'he didn't hurt Chisora or Chazz' - what did Fury do to the likes of Pianeta and Wallin? His stock doesn't decrease because he didn't knock them out does it.
     
  7. Jolly Roger

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    Did you actually watch the Chisora fight? Usyk came close to stopping him in one round, 7 I think it was.
     
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Yes, that's what the divisions are for. One fight against someone in a different than your usual division doesn't make you great at it. Surely adds more to your resume and proves you're great. But for the division itself you aren't really as there're other boxers there to face.

    So if Fury didn't hurt Pianeta or Wallin that's an excuse for Usyk being not impressive against even weaker opponent like Chazz? While you claim how great he actually is? But ok - Fury was s*it in those fight, so was Usyk - does that sound better to your ears or you want to hear only "Fury is s*it, but Usyk is amazing"? Excusing one refering to someone else is poor and not constructive, but shows a bias.


    Yeah, did you as well? Went to a decision. Just as AJ seriously troubled Usyk in round 9 of their second fight, but that brought him nothing at the end.
     
  9. Jolly Roger

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    You said Usyk was unable to hurt Chisora, which is plain wrong. And neither Chisora or Joshua wobbled Usyk once. He had to go on the defensive in round 9 as Joshua was throwing a lot, but he was never visibly hurt.
     
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  10. Glenn McKrory

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    Was just about to ask who's alt they are.
     
  11. MAD_PIGE0N

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    So Usyk did hurt Chisora, but AJ didn't "visibly hurt" Usyk? So be it, pointless to argue with totally biased man. Ok, you're right, I'm wrong, go have a Friday party about.

    One thing to say, not to you @Jolly Roger, but to the above m*rons: claiming some ins "alt" is by itself meaningless, void and brings you no arguments in whatever.
     
  12. aaaaa

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    But you're moaning about Usyk as heavyweight and using the excuse 'he didn't hurt X or Y' when the other best fighter in the division has also had fights where he didn’t hurt people so it’s a baseless argument.

    If Crawford beats Spence and moves up to 154 will you disregard his achievements at 135, 140 & 147 and just start moaning how he’s not beaten many people at 154?
     
  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    What I moan is different than what you moan about and it seems this is a great pain for you.

    Even if Crawrofd beats Spence and moves to 154 this doesn't ruins anything about his 135, 140 and 147, but does one victory is "he beaten many people in that category"? Just as "if" he doesn't beat him. Let's talk about his potential 154 career once he goes with for several fights and judge. Because at this point, it's only "if" from your side.
     
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  14. BEATDOWNZ

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    At least I had a brain :)
     
  15. BEATDOWNZ

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    Not only that, but Ortiz, who was Wilder's ONLY good win is now out of the top 10! So Wilders and Tysons resumes have taken huge hits, especially the former.