Usyk vs Daddy Bowe

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk.

    Bowe was an excellent fighter but he lacked courage. That's why he wouldn't fight Lewis.

    Usyk's on a different level.

    Bowe is about the same size as Dubois. If he got tired late, he'd end up like Dubois and Bellew. Usyk will finish a tired fighter.

    Otherwise Usyk UD.
     
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  2. Southpawswitch

    Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

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    Bowe shatters that glass body with ease.
     
  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I just remember Bowe being made to look ordinary by Golota.
     
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  4. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    bowe from the first holyfield fight beats him. Any other bowe i dont know.
     
  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk is 36 going on 37 now, an age when most fighters are past their best or completely washed up, especially clean ones who don't artificially enhance themselves or extend their careers with PEDs like many of your greats, and he has been very inactive only fighting five times in five years.

    Bowe was supposedly completely washed up at 29 for goodness sake. The fact he got battered and abused by Golota with ease who was one of the few skilled big men and big punching big men he fought and the only EE fighter from the Soviet school he ever fought, a school he lost to numerous times in the amateurs, including by stoppage IIRC, literally had nothing to do with anything whatsoever Golota brought to the dance at all :facepalm:

    Stick a 29 y/o razor-sharp reflexes and reaction times Usyk in there with him and he'd be swinging and missing like a big baffoon, looking unsure of himself and getting taken to slick school like the rest of these big behemoths.
     
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  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Bowe was a skilled fighter. This is just exaggerating.
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah
     
  8. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp Refs Need To STOP Helping The Chiefs Full Member

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    And just because Riddick Bowe outworked a 206lb cruiser weight to win the strap doesn’t make him some unbeatable force. At least Oleksandr doesn’t toss belts in trash cans to avoid challenges.

    Usyk UD
     
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  9. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a Usyk fan but not a starstruck fan boy. You got some in this thread that justify Usyk beating anyone in history and all the great HW's.
    The reality is that a prime Bowe that had a great combination of fluidity for a big man, power, and inside work with the ability to throw bombs over 12 would be tough for Usyk. At some point he would get hit with body shots, as AJ and relatively crude Dubois both hit him.

    For all the clowning Bowe gets for the Golota fights where he was out of shape (his own doing), still Golota won neither of the fights. For all the shots Golota landed, Bowe still came back and then he hurt him and Golota couldn't handle a fair fight. This wasn't even a prime Bowe. I would favor a prime Bowe over Usyk. Usyk has a chance with his excellent footwork and stamina, but that hasn't really been tested like Bowe was against Holy, three times. Those wars probably had a great toll on his career longevity. And then look what Holyfield did later on against Tyson.

    Let analyze Usyk's HW claim to fame though and we see limited, flawed, inexperienced, and past it fighters as opposition. AJ, Dubois, Chisora.
    Just look at what a prime Haye did to a prime Chisora for comparison, Chisora was never in it. Usyk still has unfinished business in the division, and he's too inactive. He also may have moved up too late and with inactivity he may not have a chance to fight the good young fighters now or even the old, lol. I would not disrespect past ATG to say Usuk beats them easy based on his HW resume so far.
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bowe is fantastically overrated in here.

    This is a guy who was clearly outboxed by Tony Tubbs, should have DQ losses to Tillery, Mathis, and maybe even Coetzer, was badly hurt by Hide, and looked like **** against Golata twice. He wasn't that good. He beat a very beatable great over whom he has some natural physical advantages.
     
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  11. Inevitability

    Inevitability New Member Full Member

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    Two overrated HW boxers but at least Bowe beat Holyfield once which is way better than beating that mental midget known as Anthony Joshua 2x

    Bowe wins by KO. Fight would be garbage tho
     
  12. Keleneki

    Keleneki Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I loved watching those videos that Tru School Sports put out on youtube a few years ago with Evander and Riddick.

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  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was 205 and 213 when he lost to Bowe. That's basically the size of a rehydrated cruiserweight. It's funny Usyks heavyweight credentials are being questioned when Bowes best win at heavyweight is no bigger than some modern cruiserweights
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sorry but I'm not buying this. I'm not saying Bowe wasn't good, He was, The problem is not with us Usyk fans it's with all of these fans who reflexively dismiss the chances of certain types of fighters or fighters from certain parts of the world against certain other types of fighters from other parts of the world in these hypothetical match ups and this is an extremely common theme with many fans.

    They get seriously bent out of shape at the mere suggestion that Usyk or others like him could ever possibly beat one of their American gods or greats from yesteryear and oftentimes they view everything from the past through the lens of rose-coloured glasses and everything of today through the lens of a microscope. Hence why people like me have to come along and make a case for Usyk because these guys usually won't be remotely fair.

    90 or whatever percent it was were so utterly sure AJ was going to beat Usyk and that Usyk stood no chance against these SHW behemoths but I told you all he could and would cause them nightmares with his speed, movement, wonderful skills, slickness, footwork, ring IQ, crazy engine, work rate and I also told you he was super tough and blessed with the iron chin to take their power when they were able to catch him. Most of you all thought he would fold as soon as they landed clean and look at how wrong so many of you got it. Badly wrong.

    Fact is Bowe was supposedly washed up at 29 y/o, which ever so conveniently coincided with him getting his ass spanked royally by Golota who was dominating him prior to managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Does Golota deserve no credit for that? Did nothing he bring to the dance have anything to do with the fact he was able to do that to Bowe? It was all due to what the ''washed up'' over night Bowe didn't or was unable to do, right? I'm sure if the roles were reversed we'd be seeing a very different take for many about that.

    So Bowe was washed up overnight at 29 y/o but Usyk who didn't even turn pro until he was almost 27 y/o is still smack bang in the midst of his prime aged 36-37 despite the fact when you watch footage of him as a 26 y/o there's a stark contrast to how he looks now as has for quite a while and you guys should know I've been saying this for a long time on here.

    You watch him in the WSB and he looks significantly faster, sharper, more nimble, fluid, with better head movement, accuracy and mongoose-like reflexes and reaction times. There has even been a decline from AJ I to AJ II, and from AJ II to Dubois.

    I said long ago that the WSB Usyk would cause these big behemoths absolute nightmares, much more so than this version who has still caused them nightmares despite having lost a few steps and slowing down.

    And he would cause Bowe nightmares with all his aforementioned attributes because that's exactly what they do against much bigger, slower and more lumbering slower-footed giants. How many slick southpaws did Bowe face? How many much quicker and agile than him? Or would he magically transform into a fleet footed giant that would have no problems landing at will against the much faster slick boxer?

    And Usyk has been very inactive only fighting five times in five years which plays a factor too
     
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  15. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Bowe.

    Y'all must've forgot.