Usyk vs Dubois bodyshot controversy: Best angle

Shempz · Aug 27, 2023

Mister Pugilist said: ↑

part of the glove is still below the beltline so by the OFFICIAL rules its low
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So incorrect, it's scary.

vargasfan1985 · Aug 27, 2023

Murderers' Row said: ↑

Only casuals would say it was a low blow, see how easy that was?
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It was low

Deal with it

Murderers' Row · Aug 27, 2023

vargasfan1985 said: ↑

It was low

Deal with it
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Okay

KiwiMan · Aug 27, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

What do you see here?

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^^We can see which part of the glove is making the impact, because it's the part of the glove that is compressing upon impact. That's high up on the belt-line, the top edge of the part of the glove making contact is hitting skin, the bottom edge of the part of the glove making contact is at the middle of the belt-line.

We have a 2-D / 3-D perception problem here. People who say it's a low blow are looking at the side view facing the outside of the glove focused on the bottom right edge of the glove in the 2-D space. That's not the part that makes first contact if at all. The part of the glove that makes first contact and causes the impact from this angle :

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is on the other side of the glove from this vantage point which is blocked by the part of the glove we see.

We keep hearing people who are saying that it's a low blow arguing that it's about the "initial" point of impact, this angle gives the impression that it's scraping the lower part of the belt-line from that angle. But you can't tell from that angle which part of the glove hits first as you have no depth perception from that angle.

The depth perception is seen from the first screenshot, from the other side, showing the inside / top of the glove compressing and decomressing upon impact. That's where any part of the glove first hits the belt-line. That's where it lands, where the impact occurs. Which is high up on the belt-line moving upward into the stomach.
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This is a pretty good reply and well illustrated. As in my earlier post, it is a close one for me, and I'm open to being convinced the other way - I watched it quite a few times on replay.

I agree with you about the main impact - but I think there is also some low impact, i.e. the part of the glove below the line does also make contact, making it a foul.

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