Usyk vs Evander Holyfield achievements, ATG status

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Aydamn, Aug 15, 2019.


Who do you predict history will remember as the better overall fighter...?

  1. Usyk

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    50.0%

  2. Holyfield

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    50.0%
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  1. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. Aydamn lives in some fantasy land where people are incapable of reasoned discussion and resort to extremities at all times. We've seen Simon Jordan debate with Chisora on TalkSport.

    Boxers having their performance discussed by people who probably couldn't beat them in a fight is no different to any other sport. Only those with the mentalities of children think otherwise.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You can often just refer to the predictions these Ucynics make for fights today which have actually materialized to understand why you can't take their hypothetical predictions between Usyk and fighters of the past they pick to beat him seriously

    Pretty sure Evander was a walking PED factory

    If Usyk got caught taking a sip from a weak cup of coffee before one of his fights these clowns would crucify him on a molten cross for cheating

    That. Is. What. I. Am. Talking. About..

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    Remember everything, literally everything, Usyk has achieved amateur and pro, has been achieved with zero deck stacking, zero A side advantage or unfair advantage, and zero dirty tactics in or out of the ring.

    Won all his gold medals on the road

    Won, defended, and unified all his world titles in his opponent's backyards sans two defences and they were both on neutral soil.

    He's never had home advantage even once for any of his world title fights

    Had a grand total of two officials for all his fights since moving up to the world level whereas, conversely, across the pond they often have four for just one world title fight and I mean even when facing foreigners and you better believe that poop matters big because it really do

    20-0-0

    P4P#2 in just 19 fights (was #1 for short while and will likely be elevated back up to #1 now)
    Unified the CW division in just 15 fights
    Three belt unified HW king in just 19 fights

    Ring Magazine champion at CW and HW

    Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year (2018)
    ESPN Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2018)
    CBS Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing News Fighter of the Year (2018)
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think Usyk will do it tbh.

    Holyfield has a mint resume though, Bowe and Tyson are ATG level victories.
     
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  4. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Like the guy would have the balls to say 2% of the stuff he’s said on this forum. He can’t even admit on his main account what he’s said on other accounts. The guy pretends to be black ffs
     
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  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk has a way to go to match Holy
     
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  6. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also claimed to live in the US - but was rumbled by using British spelling !
     
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  7. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    AJ>>Douglas
     
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  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    My point is you get carried away slating whyte in a derogatory manner, which is far and away from giving someone constructive criticism or being critical in a professional manner.

    The way you styled your breakdown of Whyte isn’t how you’d deliver that to Whytes face verbally is my point.

    Yeah Whyte got KOd by uppercut thrice, yeah I agree he is vunnlreable to it. But he was a top 5 heavyweight, remains to be seen if he still is. And you’re completely disregarding that.

    Maybe, and this is just a suggestion, keep it balanced by acknowledging his accomplishments as well as his short comings? He didn’t get through so many tough opponents on pure luck, it required some ability and some effort. He was at the top of what the division had to offer and took harder fights than most, voluntarily.
     
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  9. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Three times champ. Three.
     
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    What was the argument ? I said Holyfield has better HW credentials than Usyk. I made the case. Still feel that way even if Usyk beats Fury.

    End of.
     
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  11. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I corrected it.
     
    Aydamn, Sep 1, 2022
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  12. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Talking to yourself, you both share the same Fiat 500.

    Get help!
     
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  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I made my point several posts back. Holyfield > Usyk HW credentials.
     
    Aydamn, Sep 1, 2022
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  14. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'm a huge Usyk fan but he is getting ridiculously overrated on this site

    Have people forgot about Evanders accomplishments at HW?

    Usyk needs to beat Fury even to be in the conversation, but I would still likely have Evander ahead
     
    AdamT, Sep 1, 2022
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  15. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Actually lives in New Zealand.

    Lives to imagine forum users who laugh at him as weak, uneducated, broke and who drive what he perceives to be bad cars. Desperately tries to make himself feel better about what is clearly a tragically sad existence. He’s describing what he hates about his own life, although he could only dream of having a driving license (didn’t have one when he was in his mid-thirties so doubt he has one now). A bit of a shame but he definitely is the doing of his own downfall. Deserves it.
     
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