Usyk vs Holyfield

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Jul 24, 2019.


Who wins?

  1. Holyfield KO

    10 vote(s)
    31.3%

  2. Holyfield PTS

    13 vote(s)
    40.6%

  3. Usyk KO

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Usyk PTS

    8 vote(s)
    25.0%

  5. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    3.1%
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  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    MUCH better?? We'll see about that!

    Holyfield: Qawi x2, De Leon, Ocasio .... ummm ... Henry Tillman?
    Usyk: Breidis, Huck, Hunter, Mchunu, Gassiev, Glowacki and Bellew.

    Well, it appears that you are right.

    Usyk's resume vs Holyfield's resume AT CRUISER ... is streets ahead.
     
    BCS8, Jul 25, 2019
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  2. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    As a CW champ, Holy stopped everyone in defenses. Let his name as a CW be the apex of what others are trying to reach.
    I got Holy, stoppage, cause that's what he did!
     
    Tramell, Jul 25, 2019
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  3. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    If Usyk could have stopped Bellew sooner, he would have. Yes, for sure he liked the sensation of Bellews right hand on his face so much that he chose to let the fight go on for several rounds longer than necessary. Holyfield will not tire like Bellew. He is not complacent like Gassiev. Holy is a bridge too far against the Usyk we have seen at elite level.
     
    SHADAPBLAD, Jul 25, 2019
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Having seen and done extensive threads on both (although more EHs HW career) I am positive Usyk wins by UD.

    Both had good fight, Usyks are quicker by quite a distance. Holyfield had incredible counter punching abilities and definitely has the advantage in power and chin, he also seems to have an edge in overall strength. But in terms of ring generalship, IQ and just skill he's out of his depth

    Usyk would know to not give Holy something to counter, there for he'd work of a fast flicking jab, he'd also know that he ain't going anywhere and he wouldn't be able to walk him down. He'd have to be wary of Holyfield's own speed and skill however and so would need to spin and grab Holyfield alot. If Holyfield gets him trapped in a corner he could end it there, but I don't see it happening. Uysks power could keep Holyfield honest and his game plan should be to catch Holyfield at odd angles and force Holyfield into a brawling state of mind then box him at range

    Usyk UD12
     
    George Crowcroft, Jul 25, 2019
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  5. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I went for Holyfield because he's one of the best fighters I've ever seen p4p particularly at Cruiserweight.

    Usyk I love and I actually hope he exceeds Evanders incredible accomplishments because he's a brilliant fighter and class act (as was Holyfield no matter what the Tyson pussies say) and is what we've all wanted in a fighter (a guy who actively seek to fight the best, like Holyfield).

    Usyk may have the slightly better Cruiser resume on paper but he wasn't as dominant in my view and he didn't beat a fighter as good as Qawi was in the first Holy fight and didn't look as dominant in my view overall.

    Incredible that a 16 fight essential novice is as rated as highly as Usyk is but he belongs right there with Holyfield in the discussion as the absolute pinnacle @190.
     
    young griffo, Jul 25, 2019
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  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at this stage, I do not see why Usyk should be ranked higher than somebody like Jirov. He still has to prove himself.
    Holyfield is an ATG. Usyk has not fought anybody in his class.
     
    THE BLADE 2, Jul 25, 2019
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  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even if this would be true, it would not matter. Holyfield has proven himself as an ATG.Usyk still has a lot to prove to achieve that status.
    From my perspective, the Quawi win is far better than anyone Usyk has beaten
     
    THE BLADE 2, Jul 25, 2019
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  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Holyfield at today's Cruiser is essentially the guy who fought Douglas , Foreman , Bowe , Holmes etc.

    Usyk hasn't shown me he can beat that guy. If Hunter , Maris and Bellew can win rounds , Holy can win enough to earn a decision. I think Holy would win it by a few rounds.

    Usyk is best of a generation , Vander is one of the bet of all time.
     
    dinovelvet, Jul 25, 2019
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  9. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    At Cruiser ? You serious ??
     
    Up the gut, Jul 25, 2019
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  10. Pat M

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    For me, it could go either way at Cruiser or Heavyweight. I suspect their styles would mesh for a great fight. One of the few fights that I would pay spectator money to watch. Too bad this one can't happen.
     
    Pat M, Jul 25, 2019
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Personally I see no issue in anyone calling him an ATG at CW, he's clearly got the best résumé and has been very dominant whilst unifying the division
    He didn't lose a round to Gassiev, Huck and Glowacki and on my card he only lost 11 rounds in his 3 fights with Briedis, Hunter and Bellew. That's 11 out of 32. Against 2 top 10 CWs and a very good contender
    Personally I think Briedis, Gassiev and Huck are all better than Qawi at CW
     
    George Crowcroft, Jul 25, 2019
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  12. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Head to head I pick Jirov to beat him. Career wise, Usky ranks higher.
     
    THE BLADE 2, Jul 25, 2019
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  13. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was dominating them but the opposition was weak. A guy like Huck is Nothing more than a paper champ to me
     
    THE BLADE 2, Jul 25, 2019
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    He's had 14 title defences and a win over a prime Lebedev. He wasn't a paper champ, in fact there's an argument he's a top 5 CW
    He also should probably have a win over a prime Povetkin
     
    George Crowcroft, Jul 25, 2019
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me he was. Fighting only in protected Germany. The win over Lebedev was highly controversial. When he left Germany for the first time he got knocked out
     
    THE BLADE 2, Jul 25, 2019
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