Usyk vs Ibeabuchi

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk isn't going to be standing in front of this big dosser playing Russian roulette dipping, ducking and slipping his big clumps like Byrd did or standing toe to toe with him like Tua did. He'd use his sublime footwork and movement to box his ears off and have him chasing shadows all night. That nutty super juiced loon wouldn't even make it past VADA testing and even if he did he'd get taken to slick school by the Cossack Slickness.
     
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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I respectfully disagree with the skills thing

    Take a fighter like Ali. We saw how frustrated Joshua was with Usyk's speed and defense. Well Ali was at his peak as a 25 year old in 1967. Ali was the fastest heavyweight that ever lived. While Usyk is quick, a 34-35 year old Usyk is no where near as fast as Ali.

    Ali was not just much faster than Usyk but he could do amazing and unique things. Ali was even harder to cleanly hit during his peak 1964-67 years. Imagine how tough these larger heavies would struggle just to hit him.

    Ali was also conditioned to fighting 15 rounds at high pace. In a 12 rounder, Ali could further up the pace.

    Oh and Ali absorbed heavy body blows from a monster like Foreman. Even Usyk wouldn't be able to.

    Is Usyk technically more skilled than Ali? Perhaps in some ways. But Ali was much much faster, possessed more power IMO (see Bonavena and Lyle fights), threw lead rights with incredible speed and power (something that even Usyk can't do nearly as well with his left IMO), took much better body punishment, and could sustain an even higher workrate. Not to mention he was remarkably skilled.

    The idea that Ali and Holmes couldn't compete today is laughable. IMO those two would beat every heavy in the world today.
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Joshua is not a swarmer. He's 6'6 with long arms. Why would he mindlessly throw random punches every minute of every round? I don't understand your criticism. He isn't a Frazier/Rocky type of puncher. And his opponent is a tricky southpaw whose good at countering. He had to not only be careful of being outboxed, he also had to watch his stamina since he has such a bulky build and Usyk is the smaller faster guy.

    Yes Ike would put more pressure, but you're acting as if Joshua didn't even try and made a half assed effort. He made lots of adjustments and did his best, especially compared to the first fight. There isn't much else he could have done besides simply throwing caution to the wind throwing bombs to try and stop Usyk, but that would have a very slim chance of working against an expert veteran technician. Ike has better stamina and applies pressure better than Joshua, but they're different boxers. If we're being brutally honest, Joshua is way more proven than Ike and arguably hits even harder. Ike's best win is freaking Chris Byrd who was 30 lbs smaller and couldn't crack an egg with his fists. Joshua beat all kinds of boxers on Ike's level such as Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, etc. Joshua won the title twice, defended the belt numerous times, etc. Ike is extremely overrated based on 2 decent wins and zero titles won.

    Actually, if we saw Usyk vs Ruiz that would give us the best idea on how an Usyk vs Ike fight would turn out. If Usyk wins a comfortable decision or makes the Mexican look clueless, I will be even more certain of my vote.
     
  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is naturally bigger than Byrd. Usyk was a middleweight as a teen. In his 20s he was bigger than Byrd was
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not saying he should swarm all over him like Frazier/Marciano, but for a man of his size for me he didn't really impose himself much at all on Usyk. He stood in the middle of the ring with his high guard not throwing punches, allowing Usyk to dictate and fight at his own pace. There was no real sense of urgency, and he failed to really up the pace and make it uncomfortable for Usyk.

    I'm not saying Joshua didn't try but for me he didn't go "all out" in the fight if that makes sense, as i alluded to earlier i feel like Joshua hasn't really mentally recovered from the Ruiz loss. He doesn't seem to fight with quite the same confidence, nor does he attack quite like he used to. Ok fair enough Usyk is a master boxer and whether or not if Joshua did decide to go all out, it probably wouldn't of made a difference. But if i can sum it up into words he fought too "measured". And didn't really make life too difficult for the smaller man.

    I just feel like with Ibeabuchi's workrate, chin, dynamite in both hands, aswell as not being hesitant as Joshua. I feel like he would give Usyk a more difficult fight than Joshua did. Most Heavyweights aren't going to be able to outbox Usyk, so you have to back him up force him out his comfort zone, and not allow him to dictate the pace. Chisora at times showed that with the right amount of pressure it can unsettle Usyk. I thought Chisora won 4 rounds and gave Usyk a tougher night than Joshua did in both fights. Because he wasn't afraid to let it all hang out despite a huge gulf in class.

    Also my bad i forgot to quote you BTW @Glass City Cobra
     
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  6. Monnever

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    Ali clinched alot,bounced to much which joe/cooper begin to be able to read and countered him easy,had hands down low often,used head movement but not the way modern used it which was head/blocking with hands,
    His style was out of date in 60s,others in 80s copied his style didn't do as good with it cause as I said to out of Date/more modern fighters who had more technical skills,
    ,of course he took george shots his technique was horrible and he was slow and no variety of angles

    Usky wouldn't need to take shots from george cause Usky wouldn't make the same mistakes and was way more technical then ali he would embarrass george easy
     
  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    People who copied him did not do as well because they did not have his speed.

    He was slow? Jesus. I am done. This is not worth arguing with.
     
  8. Monnever

    Monnever Member banned Full Member

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    Yea be done cause that's not all I said your wrong skipping over all I said and responding like I only said 2 things you people on this site are odd here....,you people act as if people just can't be better then the people you grew up watching,every sport in other era's have athletes that just are better technically,as i explained Ali's style even in 80s was out of date
     
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  9. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would think Usyk would be favored to win a decision at this point. But if your a Usyk fan I would think your going to be sweating until the final bell, Ike was no joke, he can hit, take a hit, and his gas tank is way better than Joshua's.
     
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  10. Jshark

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    Ike would be much easier fight than bigger more powerful AJ.
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amateur doesn't count, and at 6'3" with the same reach, he fills out just like Ali.
     
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  12. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I was a fan of Ike back in the day but Usyk is too smart and too skilled. Usyk by UD. We tend to overrate previous era fighters. I’m guilty if it too but this one is an insult to Usyk. Of course the big guy could potentially end it with one punch. Just like I could win the lotto with one ticket. It’s possible just not probable.
     
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  13. Ambidextrous Boxing

    Ambidextrous Boxing Levels To These Levels banned Full Member

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    Ike reminds me of Wilder but not as proven.

    Shame his career is all unproven if/but/wouldve/couldve/shouldve

    Ike never did nothing in reality.

    Usyk is one of the greats.
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Name them please Who were better boxers than Tua & Byrd. ??
    Lennox ? Him & Ike wouldda been a barn burner !!!!
     
  15. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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