Usyk will want to knock Fury out

spravedlivylev · Nov 20, 2023

Serge said: ↑

Briedis, Gassiev, and Hunter have never been off their feet, let alone stopped

Usyk is the only fighter to register a KD against Hunter albeit a technical one when the ref ruled the ropes kept him from going down and most refs would've stopped that fight in the final round when Usyk went full loco on him and actively tried hard to get him of there like he did with Huck

AJ has only been down against Wlad who is one of hardest punching HWs of all time with ridiculous power

And against Fat Andy

Usyk boxed to orders against Glowacki and Gassiev and wasn't trying to get them out of there

Chisora has an excellent chin and even though he has fought everyone he has only been KO'd or dropped by Haye and Whyte both of whom are massive punchers. Belly who is obviously way bigger and heavier than Usyk stopped him twice on mercy stoppages but interestingly he has never managed to drop him once in three attempts nor even close

Chisora was essentially Usyk's first real fight at HW since moving up from CW because Witherspoon only turned up to shell up and survive and Chisora is no easy nights work for anyone's debut or first real fight at HW. Both Belly and Whyte needed two attempts to get him out of there. He has a much better chin than Belly

AJ arguably has a better chin than Belly and Usyk hurt him

Usyk has a much better chin than Belly

Like I said, it's unlikely Usyk wins via stoppage simple due to the ridiculous size, weight and reach advantages Belly holds over him but Belly has been dropped and hurt by lesser punchers than Usyk whose power is underrated and a mean Usyk, who feels disrespected and who actually wants to cause you physical harm and punish you, is not the Usyk we usually see in the ring.

Belly has never fought anyone as fast, skillful, elusive or good as Usyk. Granted, this version of Usyk is not near as fast as the WSB Usyk or CW version who was blazing quick and had mongoose reflexes and reaction times and would've made this version of Belly look absolutely stupid.
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And despite that, at the end of the 7th round Chisora was close to being stopped. Usyk since confirmed what many have suspected at the time - he took it easy on Chisora and didn't go for the kill.

Also, Usyk slapped Wlad around so badly when Wlad was preparing for the Fury fight that he was told to leave. Usyk dominated Wlad so bad apparently that it was embarrassing. Also also, there were people who sparred with both Usyk and Fury and said Usyk hits harder.

Bottom line: Usyk is deceptively strong but his movement and phenomenal jab mask the fact that he can pack a punch when he wants to.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dr05_ue5J0Q[/url]

Anyone who has ever been to a boxing gym will tell you how making a heavy bag sound like that requires some serious punching power.

VOXDEI · Nov 20, 2023

spravedlivylev said: ↑

Usyk doesn't like knocking people out. He talked about it several times. He talked about how he chose not to KO Chisora. He considers boxing a sport and as there is life outside of boxing, he doesn't hurt people if he doesn't have to. The words he used was "it's a huge chunk of health" if someone gets sparked. His dislike for KOs lines up with his personality traits and philosophy about sport, competition and life in general. Show me another guy who carries himself the way Usyk carried himself during Joshua's meltdown, the way he threw Usyk's belt out of the ring and wanted to assault one of Usyk's cornermen. Or show me another champion who goes over to the guy who clearly fought against him using dirty low blow tactics, and consoles him, telling him how it is just sport, don't beat yourself up about it, you are young and a great talent, you will be champion one day.

So when he looks for a KO, it's always with a reason. Either he is angered by the behaviour of his opponent (Huck) or he wants to make sure he won't be robbed by the judges (Bellew). Against Dubois, he was angered after the low blow and went after DD with bad intentions. He would have stopped him, it doesn't really matter that DD arguably chose to quit from a jab. But the anger was gone when the fight was over.

Ever since the presser Usyk's whole body language and face when he talks about the Fury fight now suggests he will want to hurt Fury on fight night.
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Usyk is an eminently moral guy.

But I find the idea that he is "holding back" and not KOing guys out of some kind of sense of mercy preposterous.

Serge · Nov 20, 2023

spravedlivylev said: ↑

And despite that, at the end of the 7th round Chisora was close to being stopped. Usyk since confirmed what many have suspected at the time - he took it easy on Chisora and didn't go for the kill.

Also, Usyk slapped Wlad around so badly when Wlad was preparing for the Fury fight that he was told to leave. Usyk dominated Wlad so bad apparently that it was embarrassing. Also also, there were people who sparred with both Usyk and Fury and said Usyk hits harder.

Bottom line: Usyk is deceptively strong but his movement and phenomenal jab mask the fact that he can pack a punch when he wants to.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dr05_ue5J0Q[/url]

Anyone who has ever been to a boxing gym will tell you how making a heavy bag sound like that requires some serious punching power.
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Yes he hurt Chisora at the end of that round when he strung a series of shots together

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Yeah, Johnny Nelson said he saw Usyk give Wlad fits

Fabio Wardley said that

To be fair, I think he only sparred like seven rounds with Belly and it was a long time ago, whereas, conversely, he's sparred Usyk many times.

But he did say that when he sparred Belly he was told to go 11 out of 10 and he's a big, strong, fast handed powerful guy so I very much doubt Belly wouldn't have lamped him hard. Be interesting to know how much Belly weighed then too. Either way, for him to say Usyk hit him harder proves that Usyk's power is underrated by many.

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I remember that video of Usyk hitting the heavy bag. He really didn't need to bulk up as much as he did for HW albeit age has played a part too. This roughly 210lb version would've been even more effective against these much heavier behemoths. His speed, volume, reflexes and reaction times, and counter punching would've caused them absolute nightmares and he's always had a great chin and it's not like they weren't feeling his power either.

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The one thing which concerns me is he was falling short against Dubois at times and Dubois has the same reach as he does not way longer like Belly. That wouldn't have happened a few years ago.

Guru88 · Nov 20, 2023

It’s very very feasible that Usyk stops an exhausted Fury late with sheer volume, I can see fury getting peppered with clean shots to the point he can’t defend himself, I think fury’s stamina has gone after abusing his body etc, it’s caught up to him, Usyk throws twice as many punches as him, Fury looked knackered against Ngannou and that was one of the lowest volume fights I’ve seen. I fully expect Usyk to win, and a stoppage would be no surprise at all

fruitandnutcase · Nov 20, 2023

Dark Usyk is definitely a thing. It's also one of the things that separates him from Loma, who struggles to come back from adversity (inb4 Linares - I don't care). We saw Dark Usyk against Huck and against Dubois after the foul. Of course it didn't get much traction due to the foul hogging the spotlight. We've also seen Usyk go through gears better than someone like Loma. Unlike Fury who fights down to the level of his competition, Usyk does just enough to win a fight. It's difficult to explain, but there IS a difference. Of course, there's a good chance that regardless of Usyk's skill, this is simply a bridge too far. We'll have to see

But...

I just don't see it. I was convinced Usyk would try to stop AJ in their rematch. Usyk almost dropped AJ in round 12 of their first fight, Usyk was looking massive in training and lastly he had all of the stuff going on in Ukraine. And what happened? He came in at his usual heavyweight weight and boxed AJ's head off. Sure, he had some trouble in the 9th and came out blistering in the 10th, but generally it was the usual fair

Can I see him targetting Fury's scar left by Wallin? Absolutely. Can I see him possibly dropping Fury when Fury is hit by a shot and is off-balance (at least two of Fury's seven knockdowns were through balance issues)? Maybe

But honestly, I think Usyk will try to outbox Fury. No matter the circus before the fight; no matter the perception of bad judging. Usyk went into both AJ fights and perhaps the Bellew and Chisora fights to a lesser extent, knowing that there was going to be bias scoring. He overcame both of them. Instead of wanting to stop or drop Fury, I think Usyk and his team will be gameplanning Fury's rough inside tactics

If Usyk wins this then it is some serious P4P stuff. Maybe Crawford looks better using the eye-test and maybe Canelo's resume is deeper, but if Usyk can successfully slip through Fury's reach and land jabs, hooks and straight lefts, while somehow countering Fury's one-two-clinch style he's been using since Wilder 2, it will be the stuff of legend. I'm expecting a messy fight, but can you imagine if Usyk dominates Fury effortlessly? It would be beautiful

miniq · Nov 20, 2023

Usyk and Fury are both mentally indomitable

However Fury can have his arms and legs tore off and he'd still find a way to keep fighting

Usyk will lose the physical war

JDub · Nov 20, 2023

VOXDEI said: ↑

They must have some impact but I think this post is basically correct.

This "You won't like Usyk when he's angry" nonsense is just fanboy cope tbh, these are professionals who, whilst undoubtedly are looking for a psychological edge at these events, won't change their whole strategy on the back of these kinds of comments/actions and they certainly can't change their strengths.

Usyk isn't going to develop Wilder-tier power because a comment makes him mad and he would be a fool to change his approach to the fight when KOing guys is not what has got him to the pinnacle of the sport. It's clearly an over-analysis and becomes nonsense when you consider that Usyk is always such a measured guy.

If we're to actually read-into the body language at the presser it was Fury who was acting far more aggressive and I could even more easily point to this and say Fury clearly means business KO inside 6 incoming Furybros.

This whole thread is a "talk-yourself into believing the result you want will happen" masturbation sesh.

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Although what you say is 100% right, it means 0.00001% of what will happen on the night, but................. Fury's over the top behaviour smelt desperate.

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