Usyk would beat Ali

To be honest, I am at work and did not have time to read your whole post. However, the part of your post I selected is the perfect answer.

 

When rating Usyk against older heavyweights you need to take into account his cruiserweight fights as that division didn't exist prior to the eighties, and most of his opponents would have fought as reasonably sized heavyweights in Ali's day. I'd also rate his WSB fights, as most fighters fight four to six rounders early in their career, so you take those into account and Usyk actually has a really solid deep resume.

I'm not weighing in on who I think would win, but just bringing my perspective on how this comparison should be made in order to be fair to both men.

 

If he beat Wlad he would have imo

 

Lol yet you worship Usyk and act like he is a unbeatble GOAT/GOD?

 

Usyk barely beat a faded Chisora. He wouldn't give Ali any problems.

 

The moment a person uses phrases like "Eye Test" You can't take them seriously anymore. Anybody who repeats stuff that EPSN came up should be ignored.

Ali struggled with Jones and Cooper when he was either in this teenage years or early 20's. Usyk wasn't even a pro doing his early 20's teenage years.

Ken Norton was a full fledge heavyweight. Lol because a heavyweight struggled with a heavyweight then it means he would struggle against a cruiser weight? It is like saying because James Toney lost to Roy Jones at Middleweight that means Manny Pac would beat James Toney.

Also Usyk did struggle at heavyweight against Derek Chisora. The same Chisora who got destroeyd by David Haye. I bet you will still say Usyk would beat David Haye. Like I said and will say again. Usyk fans have become the most annoying pretend fans in boxing.

 

Usyk is listed at 6'3 but is probably 6'2 1/2/. Tyson Fury is is 6'7. Ali was 6'2 1/2 and Ernie Terrell was 6'6 so only 1 inch shorter than Fury.

You comments are showing you really don't know much about boxing but you like to pretend you do.

 

Mean while 100 percent of the current heavyweights have no defense of skill. Lol Deontay Wilder a guy who throws windmill punches was champion for 5 years. Also you think he has defense? Zhang is slow as hell and you think he has defense? Joe Joyce is even slower, do you think he has defense? Tyson Fury throws arm punches and got knocked down by windmill throwing Wilder so you think he has defense?

It is funny how you pick and choose stuff to try to prove your point. George Foreman offense was defense. He was rarely hit in his prime. Larry Holmes was rarely hit in his prime, Ken Norton was good defensively. Ali was good defensively until he got old. Jimmy Young was a defensive master. Even guys like Larry Middleton was known for being a cutie and move in the ring.

Also you do realize the better the offense is the harder it is to defend? You will see people say Foreman wasn't skilled but Foreman was far more skilled during his prime than Wilder, Parker, Joshua, Joyce, Zhang or even Fury. Foreman could throw straight punches. Not only that he could throw a lot of punches. Even during his comeback he was heavier and still was able to throw and land more punches than Fury, Wilder, Parker, Zhang or even Usyk ever landed in their fights.

 

Foreman was rarely hit in his prime. LIke you said against Lyle he was coming off a long layoff. Besides that who else landed a lot of punches against? Ali? So in 47 bouts only 2 guys landed a good deal of punches on him? Foreman's defense was way better than Joyce, Zhang, Parker, or even Fury's.

Foreman fought in a era where the guys were in shape and threw tons of punches and landed a high percentage. Tyson Fury fights in a era were most guys are out of shape and or don't have the skill to land a high percentage of their punches. Against Zhang, Parker landed less than 100 punches in 12 rounds I believe even though Zhagn is slow. Against Wilder, Parker landed less than 100 punches. Fury only landed 100 punches in 10 rounds against Francesco Pianeta and only landed 17 percent of his punches. Old Foreman landed 225 punches out of 400 against a 23 year old Morrison.

 

Lol you do realize the more teams the more deluded the rosters would be? If the NBA had 60 teams it would be easier to get in the league. If the league cut down to 10 teams it would be harder to get in the league.

 

Lol I am laughign my butt off. Foreman didn't get touched against Norton , Ali didn't get touched against Chuvalo etc. Also these guys were throwing tons of punches per round. Now you see guys land 60 punches in a 12 round fight. Not because they have better defense but because worse stamina and worse skill level. Either you are trolling for attention of you know very little about boxing.

Wilder has no defense, Joyce has no defense. Zhang has no defense. Parker defense is so bad that Joe Joyce was able to land tons of punches on him even though Joyce is one of the slowest heavyweights I seen. Fury has no defense, his defense is so bad that windmill swinging Wilder was able to knock him down. Joshua has no defense and that is why overweight Andy Ruiz knocked him out.

It is funny how guys like you will pick and choose things to try to fit your agenda. First off most heavyweights aren't really good at defense. That bigger you are the easier you are the hit. Second the more punches you throw at a heavyweight the more you are bound to hit them, especially if they are really big.

 

Its called watching fights you should try it some time since its clear you don't.

Missing the point but sure

Bro what Ken Norton was smaller then Usyk and Usyk is a full fledged heavyweight calling him a cruiserweight is reductive as **** and isn't even true anymore. Plus you forget that cruiserweights today are larger then some heavyweights were in Ali's time.

The difference is that he clearly beat Chisora while Ali never clearly beat Norton and now he clearly beat Fury while Ali has never beaten someone with the same size discrepancy as Usyk. You can respect the old boxers while acknowledging they weren't perfect and that the modern gen would be competitive with them.

 

Lol Ali lost all 3 times the Norton. Norton was a better fighter than Chisora though. So what is your point?

Usyk had to gain weight. Ken Norton didn't have to gain weight. Norton fought during a era where guys came in the ring lighter because championship fights went 15 rounds. Usyk weighed 200 pounds or less until he was in his early 30's. Lol dude after this comment don't message me again. You Usyk fanboys are the most annoying fanbase in boxing. You message me again i will just block you

Usyk is a full fledge heavyweight because he decided to move up in heavyweight when he was in his 30's? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

In Ali's time there were no cruiser weights. Lol that is why Cruiserweights were bigger than some "heavyweights" back then. Back then anything over 175 was considered heavyweigth and guess what? None of these sub 200 pound guys became champions back in the 1970's.

As I said before, Joe Frazier was 5'11 so just as tall and Andy Ruiz. When Frazier weighed 214 pounds against Foreman he was considered fat. Lol Andy Ruiz weighs 270 pounds and nobody cares. When the 6'2 1/2 Ali weighed 230 pounds against Jimmy Young he was considered fat. When the 6'6 Lou Esa weighed 250 he was considered to be out of shape. George Foreman weigehd 230 as a 19 year old amateur but got to as low as 212 as a pro before putting that weight back on. Foreman weighed 250 when he won the title during his comeback You think a 20 something year old Foreman couldn't weigh 250?

In fact I will just block you. Lol anybody who says Usyk could beat Ali or anything other legit ATG I will just block so I won't have to read your comments.

 

And you are accusing others of not knowing boxing?

Really, guy, how old are you? Usyk won 9 rounds, and got a British decision.

 

It'll be funny when Wilder some how KOs Usyk in like 3 rounds and completely changes everything.
All it would take is one simple loss like that and people will say Usyk sucks.