Usyk would destroy Prime Lennox Lewis

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Getting dropped 3 times and getting a hometown stoppage is not really proving your point here.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I had a quick glance at that and all you did was point out all the negatives which you can do with anyone's resume including Usyk's Heavyweight resume.

    For example you gloss over the fact that Rahman stopped the highly dangerous Corrie Sanders prior to the Lewis fight who went on the dethrone Wladimir Klitschko.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why do people keep saying Lewis had hell vs Mavrovic ? He won comfortably on the scorecards in the region of 118-110/117-111.

    Usyk had more issues vs Chisora and lost more rounds vs him.

    Comparing punchstats aswell...

    Lewis outlanded Mavrovic 216 to 132.

    Usyk outlanded Chisora 192 to 139.

    Chisora also landed more power punches 110 to 107.

    So if you're saying Lewis had hell vs Mavrovic then objectively Usyk had hell vs Chisora aswell since he done worse vs Chisora in rounds lost and overall punchstats.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    Lewis also did better in rematches.

    Lost to Gonzalez in amateurs ? Beat him in the return.

    Lost to Biggs in the Olympics ? Stopped him in 3 in the pros.

    Draw vs Holyfield ? wins the return.

    Lost to Rahman, McCall, stopped both in the returns.

    Also Usyk didn't adjust vs Dubois....he'd already won pretty much every round against him in their 1st meeting making him quit after a jab. It was just beating up the same opponent who stylistically he had pretty much 0 issues against.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Shame there's no footage of those fights

    Well, the vast majority of his listed amateur losses came against fighters from the Soviet Union/Eastern Bloc and Usyk obviously hails from that school but with the addition of a very generous helping his own flavour of southpaw slickness into the mix too. Sounds like a big plateful of problem pie all around for Lewis to me
     
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  6. rolzone

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    How do you think usyk will fare against chisora in a rematch now he’s comfortable at the weight?
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chisora looks pretty shot, so there's no point
     
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  8. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favor Usyk and I think he would win the fight. But I think he would win a competitive decision, not "destroy".

    I don't think Lewis has the right style to beat Usyk, and he never fought a southpaw in his career.
     
  9. Serge

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    Been reading a Usyk vs Lewis thread on another forum

    A few things which caught my eye

    Holyfield getting a free pass for being a HEAVILY artificially enhanced lab creation as per usual

    Questions like this are never asked. Perfectly logical and reasonable questions

    What would Holyfield look like without the whole concoction of power, strength, and stamina enhancing steroids and PEDs he jacked himself silly with?

    What would Usyk look like if he was a lab creation walking PED factory like Holyfield?

    What would a Usyk who was a HEAVILY enhanced walking PED lab creation like Holyfield look like vs Mike Tyson?

    Holyfield has got to beat VADA testing before he can even step foot in a ring vs Usyk and he was on so much of the hard stuff I don't fancy his chances at all

    Let me just reiterate because it's not some little trivial matter: Holyfield was juiced to the gills on the hard stuff and lots of it

    I saw someone the other day defending Holyfield's loss to ''dirty PED cheat'' MMA fighter Vitor Belfort :facepalm:

    Usyk being 37-38 ie. not in his prime when he beat Greedy Belly and in his mid to late 30s when he won and unified al his titles at HW gets completely ignored

    Apparently, Usyk would try and walk Lewis down, as if the master boxer Usyk who has been boxing beautifully off the backfoot going way back to his early amateur days when he opted to do so, isn't versatile and can only fight one way :facepalm:

    Usyk isn't a fantastic jabber

    Lewis would deal with Usyk comfortably and get him out of there even though we've literally never seen him fight a slick southpaw and someone with Usyk's style but we've seen Usyk outbox SHW sized giants many times and we know for a fact his speed, skills, ring IQ, and movement causes them all serious problems

    Pretty much all these greats from previous eras who would defeat Usyk all lost to fighters Usyk would beat
     
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  10. Serge

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    Watch the footage of Lewis vs Gorrell where I timestamped it. That was extremely dirty and, as said, Lewis did that to a badly overmatched tomato can he was way bigger than. Moments like that are very revealing of a fighter's character but we have never seen Usyk do something a fraction as dirty as that

    Ali held and pushed down on the back of his opponent's heads excessively

    Greedy Belly flagrantly elbowed Usyk in the face and is very dirty too

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    Holyfield was a serial billy goat

    Bowe was very dirty

    Mike Tyson was too

    They all did these things to try and gain some kind of advantage over their opponents

    Usyk doesn't do any of that crap but he gets no credit for it

    I saw a thing they did on Talksport recently with Duke McKenzie where he said Usyk was a top 20 ATG HW and he proceeded to name 19 HWs he considers better than Usyk. I really like Duke and I enjoy watching his interviews and listening to his takes and whilst he himself really likes Usyk too and has praised him a lot he also said that he didn't consider him an ATG which, as with this take, he drew a lot of heat for. He revised his opinion on that after the Dubois rematch but he also said sometime in the last six months that he considered Twink P4P#1 so these are two terrible takes from him :lol:
     
  11. rolzone

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    Let’s for argument sake say current usyk vs that same chisora
     
  12. queiroz

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    There's only one somewhat tested way to beat Lewis. Surprise him with some bombs when he's not expecting. Usyk simply doesn't have that power, and the match would be too high profile for Lewis to show up in his trademark lazy half-assed under-prepared version. This is a horrible match-up for Usyk.

    To have a real chance of beating Lewis, you need Foreman or prime Tyson like power. You'd also have decent chances with a granite chin like Ali or partly Hollyfield. Lewis wasn't a fighter that always threw many punches, he was patchy at this, but sooner or later he gets you into big trouble and he knew how to finish in these situations. To stay out of trouble you'd need to make him respect your power and play one of his tentative and cautious boring fights, or trust your chin to get you out of trouble (Mercer fight was like this). He was a very difficult fighter because of a unique combination of size, rinq IQ, and variety of skills to hurt you both from range and inside. Too much boxer for Usyk to handle.
     
  13. Serge

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    People keep confidently predicting what Lewis would do to Usyk but we've literally NEVER seen him in with a world class southpaw before, let alone one as slick, skilled, fast, clever, defensively sound, super fit, durable and a great as Usyk is :lol:

    I believe Lewis has fought 3 former CW champions

    WPTS 8 Ossie Ocasio
    WPTS 12 Holyfield
    D12 Holyfield
    WKO 2 Glenn McCrory

    McCrory is the only one he dropped and stopped but he was trash and had already lost x 5 and been KO'd x 3 at domestic level by then

    Watch how Lewis shoves his elbow in McCrory's throat then a second later does his signature move of holding the opponent's head down or in place with his left hand before throwing a cheap shot when they can't see it coming and defend themselves from it. He does it a bunch of times in the 1st round too and he's done it against much smaller or much naturally smaller badly outmatched opponents in the videos I posted

    He must've done this countless times in his career

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  14. TNSNO1878

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    Mavrovic was also a solid fighter, with a strong amateur pedigree; he won the European belt and defended it six times. He was 27-0 (22) going into the Lewis fight and gave a good account of himself before retiring. The same people who criticize that fight would have probably accused Lewis of ducking him if he didn't fight him.
     
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  15. Cojimar 1946

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    Wilders supposed championship run was a joke in terms of competition though. Largely he was fighting unranked opponents and avoiding top 10 guys. Ortiz is the only guy he beat who i might put in the eras top 20/top 25 and even that's questionable due to his age. I can't see how that's comparable to Moorer and Rahman beating prime versions of Holyfield and Lewis. Martin hasn't beaten anyone of note and Stiverne only Arreola who I don't consider part of the post Klitschko era but had he been probably wouldn't crack my top 30.

    Id rate plenty of guys from the Usyk era you failed to mention above the 90s guys you list.

    I have Bakole beating Morrison, Maskaev, Hide etc
    I have Lenier Pero beating Hide, Maskaev
    I think Itauna is probably going to be better than many of the guys you mentioned but we should wait to see how he does against Whyte
    I don't rate comeback Foreman highly and probably would pick 10 plus guys you didn't mention to beat him in addition to the guys you listed.