Usyks resume

Let's not forget that he fought most of these fights on away soil with things stacked against him, including the Chisora fight. A win over Fury would be the icing on the cake.

 

Fury fans better hope he wins vs the old Chisora. A loss would prove to be devastating to his resume. I think Fury is fine, and Chisora at his age is showing up for a most welcome payday and understands the business him getting a third fight.

 

First off, if you want to debate with me or anyone else here, treat people like you should-& I & most decent people do-with respect.
If it was just the mocking, laughing face even though we do not know each other some would think you are not an immature kid or trying to be mean, just stressing your point.

Now as for the substance of the matter starting with the dismaying "what are you talking about".
Obviously others think you are giving mucho credit for moving up in weight: when you recently made a major point to show how good other's resume is compared to Usyk by repeatedly crediting victories in multiple divisions.
If somehow you did not mean that: everone will think differently from the words you wrote.

But I don't wanna here any ugly talk "it's a ****ing stupid comparison".
Don't matter that you were being malicious about someone else. It is nasty.
Do that with places where you do not care about being respected & getting along.
Tons of that online-obviously I mean hopefully don't flame & insult anyone.
You can say someone is totally wrong without words that might get you in a fight in a bar.

Now you missed or ignored my point: see how I can dispassionately point out a mistake without saying something hateful like you are re*arded?
Which was that you Mordechai did not understand proportions: I showed you he did.
You seem to mean something else: not that he was WRONG about the math between different sized men, but arguing about how important that is. Again, a different thing entirely.

Others have shown how many top ranked, champion, rarely or never defeated guys Usyk beat.
I do not know exactly how good it is compared to everyone-not what I was disputing.
Although his 350 + amateur fight & Olympic experience must weigh heavily if we are talking about how good anyone is overall.

Now for the main thing we are contesting: you are accidentally indulging in a fallacy.
Your premise that at a certain point pounds do not matter? That is only arguably true well above what many SHW types fight as.
The mistake is using individual cases to prove a statistical point.

So if I say tried to prove woman tend to be taller, heavier & (even less common) stronger than men, I could surely point to many examples of all of these things.
But it does not show that it is less common, unusual: or in the case of accomplishment that you used...
Sure a 200-210 lb. man *can* beat a 230 + guy. Or even a bigger gap.

You argued sarcastically *but not viciously, that is fine) about Pac's victory being greater than...
Sure that is fair: in part because of % & proportions & how smaller difference in weight make more difference when guys are lighter.

But the evidence is strong that all other things being equal it is harder.
And way less common.
If I was wrong, then you would see about as many champions at 200-210 lbs. as guys something over 230 for the last many years when that size became common.
Instead, we have exactly ZERO champions even though there are soooo many belts available...correct me if I missed someone-in that range since Evander Holyfield was young & before he hit the PEDs & gained more weight-that was ~ 30 years ago!

Rarely do guys have to cut to make 265 in UFC?
Sure because that is as big as it is an advantage for MOST guys to get.
If it was say Shaquille O'Neil, he would have to cut a good deal.
The value of more-& often steroidal muscle is both at a certain point diminishing returns or a loss: if you sacrifice enough speed & endurance supporting redundant muscle.

It seems "little" Cain Velasquez was 245 lbs. fairly lean, against Brockner.
That is still very large-especially in actual muscle mass-by any normal standards.
In UFC guys tend to be even larger-including those who hold titles, showing what is overall an avantage-& HE being big but clearly large enough to win does not contradict anyone's argument.

Valuev or anyone is not heavily favored or at all just because he is massive.
Nobody here is arguing that, about him, Butterbean, or any untrained obese man.
But Valuev only became champion & ha a great record BECAUSE of the value of his huge size.
Hard to reach. extremely difficult to dent. Can land at a distance...

Anywho I have no problemo if you think someone's resume is any better than Usyk's.
Just be respectful.