Valero - Pac comparison Fact/Fiction

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  1. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    Alright we've got Patrick Cassidy and Jonathan Yaghoubi all set to go for this week's Fact or Fiction so let's jump right to it!

    Round 1: Comparing Edwin Valero to a younger Manny Pacquiao is a valid comparison.

    Jonathan Yaghoubi: FICTION - While I am a fan of Valero as a boxer and thought he showed tremendous heart fighting with a nasty cut the whole fight on Saturday night, comparing him to a younger Pacquiao is a bit silly. Actually, I don't even think they belong in the same sentence if you want me to get more accurate. I love the fact that Valero has not gone the distance in any fight in his career. However, except for the fight against DeMarco, all of Valero's wins have come against unknown and unproven fighters.

    In his first big fight, Pacquiao dominated a future Hall of Famer in Marco Antonio Barrera. He rebounded from a tough loss from Erik Morales and went to beat him down in the next two fights. He has had one draw and one win against Marquez. Did I mention that Manny did all this before the age of 28. That happens to be the current age of Valero and has not even come close to those accomplishments. I think Valero is good but I don't think he has that good as people think he is. he still has some holes as a fighter and if he were to fight Marquez, he would suffer his first defeat.

    Patrick Cassidy: FACT - It's certainly a fair comparison. We're talking about a sport where promoters and commentators are willing to throw out lofty comparisons to every fighter with a padded record. How many times have you heard a fighter compared to a "young Mike Tyson" or his work rate reminds me of a "young Roberto Duran". We're in a business that loves Hyperbole so let's not act like comparing Valero to Pacquiao is some outlandish statement. I'm not saying Valero is going to grow into Manny Pacquiao but it's certainly a far comparison to say Valero is on the relative level of Pacquiao when he first took off in the States in 2001.

    First let's point out the fact that Valero loves to jab before throwing his straight left, throws a lot of punches, possesses good footwork, and sometimes lapses on defense. Is that not Manny Pacquiao when he first debuted in the states?


    http://www.411mania.com/boxing/columns/129325
     
  2. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    good article. cassidy is playing devils advocate here though- you can tell even he dosent believe this guy is the next pacman.
     
  3. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    fiction. pacquiao was a speed demon before he learned to box and his power at 122 was hearns-like he was a scary dude, you can put him against eny elilte and he has a chance to beat them hence he put a beating on marco antonio barrera.

    Valero, he's got power and skills but not enough to beat the best of today like bradley, marquez, etc. He is more comparable to mugabi
     
  4. thesandman51

    thesandman51 teh secks Full Member

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    They fight in a very similar style. It's still up in the air whether or not Valero is as good as a young Manny, but he definitely looks like the Pacmn while in the ring.
     
  5. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The best way to find out is throw him in the ring with Juan Manuel Marquez.
     
  6. RKO

    RKO Member Full Member

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    Let him KO bigger guys while moving up in weight and they will start saying he's on PEDs...like Manny
     
  7. sprika2

    sprika2 Active Member Full Member

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    they are both exciting for boxing
     
  8. dugiboy

    dugiboy Member Full Member

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    nice avatar RKO!

    valero has the potential...
     
  9. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    I have no doubt in my mind that the younger JMM that fought pac twice would school and TKO him.

    todays JMM might be in trouble against this monster though.
     
  10. thesandman51

    thesandman51 teh secks Full Member

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    Agreed. I think JMM is pretty much done at this point. I know it's nearly impossible to look good against Mayweather, but it was evident to me that the Marquez that drew with and narrowly lost to Pacquiao just isn't there anymore.

    The man was getting worked by Juan fricken Diaz ffs.
     
  11. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    Valid comparison, imo.
     
  12. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I want Valero to fight either JMM or Paulie or someone in top 10 at 135 or 140 lbs.
     
  13. totsboy

    totsboy Active Member Full Member

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    yah manny is already beating top fighters at that age yet no one accused him of PEDS..Just now that they have no fighter to beat Pac that they are saying hes on PEDS

    thats how loser they are..
     
  14. h2hkiller

    h2hkiller Guest

    Wow, they have A-side meth in Venezuela too??

    -Roger Mayweather
     
  15. Mike T

    Mike T Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valero looks like a very skilled Mayorga. That is not trash talk. Dude can do some serious damage in 2-3 divisions maybe. We'll see.