Validity of Fury holding the WBC belt or the lowest state of Boxing in years.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by dragansimic22, Sep 2, 2023.


  1. dragansimic22

    dragansimic22 Member banned Full Member

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    • Beats Old Klitcko - retires to avoid rematch
    • Comes back wins against Wilder (who has 1 decent name - Ortiz beaten)
    • Refuses to fight against highest ranked contenders - Joyce, Ruiz, Joshua, Hrgovic, keeps the belt
    • Fights below average fighters that were long spent - Chisora and Whyte, keeps the belt
    • Refuses to fight against real champion Usyk, keeps the belt
    • Refuses to fight top contenders 2023 - AJ, Hrgovic, Zhang, keeps the belt
    • Fights 0:0 opponent form different sport, belt not on the line, but still keeps the belt
    Considered a number 2 (by some people) number 1 heavyweight, has 2 names, has 35 fights.........
     
  2. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think we need to consider the wbc not a real belt but in the ibo category.
     
  3. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Hard facts
     
  4. Brumsongs

    Brumsongs Member Full Member

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    It's to Usyk's benefit in the long run. Fury has spent this year in front of Netflix viewers and MMA fans, both of which are potential buyers for the undisputed match. The commercial reality is that Usyk didn't sell out Wroclaw even with cheap tickets. The Ngannou circus is a lucrative show that is only viable if Fury is undefeated. It will maximise audience for the real event.
     
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  5. dragansimic22

    dragansimic22 Member banned Full Member

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    Disgrace
     
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  6. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    While I agree with most of what you say, the bigger issue is that the WBC doesn't take the belt from him. This is the case with numerous champs with alphabet organization belts. If they would strictly enforce their own rules this kind of garbage would stop relatively quickly. Just take the belt away, have the top two contenders fight each other and move on.

    This is as much on the WBC as it is on Fury.
     
  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Tyson Fury is the only man to beat legit reigning champions to earn his belts at heavyweight

    He is the lineal and soon to be undisputed champion.

    Usyk, Aj & Ruiz have been playing pass around with Fury's belts for the past 5 years.

    I don't care that the WBC don't mandate a worthy mandatory. Just as I don't care that the other bodies mandate crappy fake mandatories ;ike Dubious for Usyk, which Usyk's team SHOULD have turned down and if they did turn it down he wouldn't have got stripped...and when Fury wins them belts back again no DOUBT he will be stripped by the IBF again within 10 days only for a big bum bodybuilder like AJ to buy it again. All these orgs are pathetic. People should not pay attention to them. Also money dictates what fights get made nothing else. If there was a little midget MMA fighter named Jeffrey Epstien who could make Fury or Usyk $1b they'd be fighting him and the plastic belts would follow.
     
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  8. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Calling Ortiz a "decent name" is generous...
     
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  9. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury fights Whyte who is below average and long spent Whyte was WBC mandatory if he had not have fought him he would have been stripped :duh As for the current situation the WBC has to shoulder some blame as they themselves do not have a mandatory fighter in place as well as the fact the Saudi money is controlling the Heavyweight division with everybody from the fighters to the sanctioning bodies all wanting a piece of the bounty .
     
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  10. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He might just be a better Cuban than Solis, maybe and only as a pro. He's not even close to a Juan Carols Gomez level Cuban HW.
     
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  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    He was only ever bang average - looking flashy against cans isn't particularly difficult... Nor is looking technically competent against the technically limited Wilder.

    When you get down to brass tacks, his best win is a gatekeeper level fighter in Jennings and overall his resume doesn't even measure up to Chisora's.

    Getting to be a gatekeeper level fighter is respectable in itself... But the best of the best should be defined by beating the real contenders, not the gatekeepers.

    And therein is the problem with Ortiz - he was only ever a gatekeeper at best, but got hyped to a ridiculous degree to boost up Wilders pathetically thin resume.
     
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  12. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Jennings win gets kudos. Because Jennings was the first man to truly expose how old Klitschko was and how his powers were on their last legs. Jenniings set the blue print for how Fury would beat old man Klitschko. If Jennigs could have mustered another 30% out of his performance he may have beat old klitschko before Fury.
     
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  13. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Indeed... But that was still the best performance of Jennings career, and he still fell comfortably short.

    Yes, he did well and showed chinks in Wlads armour, but ultimately he was no closer to winning than Chisora was against Usyk.

    On top of that, the Jennings that fought Ortiz looked nowhere near as up for it.

    So yes, you get some credit... But it's not the sort of win that creates the kind of top 5 contender reputation that Ortiz got gifted with.
     
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  14. Sks476

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    None of the belts can be considered "real" in my opinion. It is more about who they beat to win the belt and who they defended against. The best need to fight the best and there is no need for multiple belts in divisions.
     
  15. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ortiz is a 'decent' name on the resume but it also must be considered that Ortiz did help Archimedes invent the wheel.
     
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