Valuev has continued to improve.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Aug 30, 2008.


Page 2 of 6
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,646
    47,353
    Mar 21, 2007
    Well that one was legit, and anyone who doesn't know that, doesn't know boxing. When I heard "split decision" I was really disturbed, as was the commmentary team.

    No way. "Robbery".
     
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    #16
  2. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

    6,141
    1
    Oct 13, 2007
    All Ruiz? What did you see? More active?
     
    Serenata, Aug 30, 2008
    Serenata, Aug 30, 2008
    #17
  3. twogunman

    twogunman New Member Full Member

    74
    0
    Mar 17, 2007
    Ruiz' career is over. Its time for him to hang it up.
     
    twogunman, Aug 30, 2008
    twogunman, Aug 30, 2008
    #18
  4. Irländsk

    Irländsk Boxing Addict banned

    4,969
    6
    Apr 19, 2007
    Yet another example of Venezualan and Danish judges giving gift decisions to Russian fighters.
     
    Irländsk, Aug 30, 2008
    Irländsk, Aug 30, 2008
    #19
  5. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

    44,755
    7
    Mar 9, 2008
    :lol:
     
    ishy, Aug 30, 2008
    ishy, Aug 30, 2008
    #20
  6. chuffy

    chuffy ESB Hall Of Fame Member Full Member

    2,512
    0
    Jan 13, 2008
    Wasn't able to see the fight tonight. Was very impressed with the way Valuev boxed in the Lyakovich fight though. Really looked at complete ease and boxed very well, looked very much improved.
     
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    #21
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

    76,117
    2,751
    Jul 20, 2004
    Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, right hand miss, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab...etc

    Same old Valuev, I didn't see any improvements.
     
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    #22
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,646
    47,353
    Mar 21, 2007
    1 - He's pusing with his weight when his at close quarters. I can't believe it's taken him this amount of time to employ this tactic properly, regularly. But you can imagine his people working on clinches for this fight, so it does make some sort of sense.

    2 - He's doubling up the jab more frequently.

    3 - I think he's jabbing more accurately

    4 - He looked lighter on his feet, and his skin was lose across his back. He looked lighter generally, he's been swimming, I think it is working for him. I'd be surprised if he was lighter than for this fight since 2000.
     
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    #23
  9. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

    7,318
    6
    Jan 7, 2007
    lol :lol: funny stuff scar...sounds like a kltschko hate thread although usually it's jab, hold, jab, jab, hold, jab, intentional trip, jab, jab, tank job

    yeah he's ready to be had. id favor most of the top 10 guys over him. expect to see the Valuev-Ruiz-Chagaev Bermuda Triangle to continue though :yep
     
    KobeIsGod, Aug 30, 2008
    KobeIsGod, Aug 30, 2008
    #24
  10. chuffy

    chuffy ESB Hall Of Fame Member Full Member

    2,512
    0
    Jan 13, 2008
    Scar how do you picture a fight between Valuev and the winner of Vitali - Peter ? To be honest i just can't see a scenario where Valuev would beat either of them. I think Peter's too agressive and Vitali's just too well rounded for nikolai.
     
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    #25
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,646
    47,353
    Mar 21, 2007
    Yeah, just checked, that's the lightest he's been since 2001 according to boxrec.
     
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    #26
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,646
    47,353
    Mar 21, 2007
    A Vitali that is capable of beating Peter beats Valuev all night. But Peter himself is a different kettle of fish. Peter is a great puncher, but he is not the type that is going to crack top jaws. I think that would be a good fight, competitive. Close points win for one or the other.
     
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    McGrain, Aug 30, 2008
    #27
  13. chuffy

    chuffy ESB Hall Of Fame Member Full Member

    2,512
    0
    Jan 13, 2008
    I agree Mcgrain. Thanks for your opinion.
     
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    chuffy, Aug 30, 2008
    #28
  14. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

    76,117
    2,751
    Jul 20, 2004
    Really depends who wins Vitali/Peter and HOW, if Peter is able to beat Vitali then I have no doubts he can beat Valuev, same goes for Vitali. As a matter of fact I would pick Vitali over Valuev even before he fights Peter, but for Peter I won't be too confident till I see more of him, the McCline fight left a bad taste in my mouth and I can't get over it, especially after Maskaev stunned Peter as well.
     
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    #29
  15. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

    76,117
    2,751
    Jul 20, 2004
    Cost him a warning and a point, hardly improving when you can't prove you can apply it well enough.

    He always did, this isn't the first fight I saw of Valuev and I'm sure it isn't your first either.

    Close to point #2, he always did and his jabs usually landed when he timed them well enough. Depends on the positioning of his opponent than him, at times Ruiz would just come in with his hands low and sort of expect them.

    Yeah, I also mentioned the weight after the weigh-in, he definitely looked in top shape for this one and was lighter than usual but that doesn't mean he applied anything new in the ring apart from looking more freaky with a bigger head.
     
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    Scar, Aug 30, 2008
    #30
Page 2 of 6