Valuev in the early 30 s?

He probably does about the same as Impellitere as they were very similar in size and ability.

He might pull a primo, but looking at how he struggled with most of he smaller heavys he fought, i would imagine that he has the same problems with the likes of Sharkey, Schmelling and Co.

 

He would get murdered and wisely quit the ring

 

Size ? Overrated thing. What about Mike Tyson or Marciano in this case ?

 

The boring answer is that it depends on his team.

The art of matchmaking was still underdeveloped, and fighters careers could be subjected to the whims of silly variables like race and nationality. And it was less structured, with many fighters with potential getting their records squandered. Today, records are treated with more fragility.

Having said that, I think he would be somewhere between the top 10-20 HWs of the decade.

 

This argument cuts no ice either way.

He has not been particularly successful in either era!

 

Baer, Schmeling, Carnera, and Uzcudun would beat him.

 

I think he'd do pretty well.

He's virtually invulnerable, even if as slow as molasses. But a lot of those guys were easy to land on themselves, and Valuev has a decent technique, though ponderous. I reckon he destroys anybody that stands in front of him; its the awkward movers that might give him fits.

 

I disagree.

He has been very successful in his era.

50-2, with wins over Ettienne, Donald, Ruiz x2, McCline, Holyfield, Liakhovich and two close losses to Chaggy and Haye. When he fought Barrett and Beck their resume's were not bad.

That's a pretty good resume, even if it's not an ATG resume.

 

The devil is in the detail on this one.

He beat very few fighters who were ranked in the Ring top ten at the time, and his own highest ranking was something like #5.

If you replicate that in an era with only one version of the title, like the 1930s, then it probably doesn’t look that impressive today.

 

he'd join the Moscow travelling circus

 

Valuev should've lost to Holy with some good margin. And that was Holy who was nearing 50!

Chagaev wasn't close fight, 117-111 at worst, easy night for Ruslan.

Ruiz' both fights were even. That was Ruiz who was previously dominated by fat James Toney.

McCline blew his knee in a fight he was winning, and anyway it was past-prime McCline.

Donald 'win' was a robbery really.

Lyakhovich and Barrett were his best wins in reality.

Ettienne and Beck were C-level fighters in their prime and both had glass chin.

As you see, I'm not high on Valuev.

Povetkin is WAY better than Valuev ever was, Ibragimov is clearly better too.

Ibragimov would win easily, 118-110

Povetkin would KO Valuev cold late.

By the way, Valuev himself is realistic and doesn't think he was a good boxer, he thinks he overperformed in his career against a much more skilled and quicker (but way smaller) boxers than him.

 

Good posts. I also think Pov is way better than Valuev, though I don't think he's stopping him.

 

Valuev certainly had an iron chin, but what happens if you eat Povetkin's left and right hooks for 10-11 rounds? I just think another iron-chinned giant Marius Wach's chin is a bit more proven vs Sasha and Wlad, while Valuev proved his chin against lesser punchers except David Haye who hurt him in 12th.