Valuev to defend against Holyfield

I saw Chagaev outbox Valuev by doing very little really. Chagaev didn't have to jump up to score, and he's certainly not taller than Holyfield.

Valuev is excrutiatingly SLOW, so he doesn't hold the typical advantages of speed and agility that would put the geriatric Holyfield at a desperate disadvantage. Still, he's big and awkward and tends to do enough to scrape past even some good quality heavyweights.

I didn't think Holyfield was totally embarrassed against Ibragimov, who I figure was a more difficult style than Valuev for the old man. I reckon Valuev should be favoured to win, but I dont expect him to beat Holyfield even as bad as Sultan did, though he might. Providing Holyfield arrives in that sort of shape. I wouldn't be totally surprised if Holyfield wins on points.
Valuev is slow and not much of a puncher.

 

You are right, Holyfield is undeserving, but so are many of the other guys they get to fight for these joke titles. Have a look at some of the other clowns who have been given title shots in recent years. Valuev fought Barrett and Beck ! Look at their credentials going in. Maskaev fought Peter Okhello. Wladimir Klitschko reckons Rahman is the most viable man to replace Povetkin on about 6 weeks notice ! Matt Skelton got a shot against Chagaev. Golota was being groomed for another shot.
To be fair, Holyfield's form going in to the WBO title Ibragimov fight wasn't much worse than Brewster, Lyakovich or Briggs had shown before they WON the same title.

 

Wide UD for Valuev unless he goes to the Body...Evander does not like it there...but Evander is still a name and is amazing for his age...good fight for Valuev

 

Sure, my biggest problem is not really that Holyfield is not deserving if you just look at his record during the last few years. My problem is that he's too old and damaged for a boxer to compete at this high level. I noticed that when he took a year off because of an injury in 2002, his speech started sounding very clear again. I'd hate for his health to get messed up even further by chasing, what now is, a pipe dream. I expect a Liakhovic-Valuev-like shutout with Valuev mostly jabbing and Holyfield fighting spurts, but not doing a lot of effective work.

 

I see what you're saying, but it's become so familiar now that I've become indifferent to it. And if it's what gives Holyfield meaning in his life I'm not qualified to argue with him or tell him to stop, so good luck to him. And on top of that I wouldn't even be totally shocked to see him spring an upset on Valuev.
I dont want to see Holyfield end up like Greg Page, Jerry Quarry or Muhammad Ali but I guess there are hundreds of other boxers at just as much risk of ending up like that too. It's up to the medical people to decide whether he's too damaged or not.

Holyfield has become barely viable as a title contender now, and hardly commands top pay any more. He's just another "bum of the month" for Valuev, that's what he has been reduced to.

It's more an indictment of the heavyweight division than a reflection of corruption and promotional fraud, IMO.

What we need is title unification (and the prominence of the Klitschko brothers doesn't bode that well) between Valuev and one of the brothers. We also need the GOOD YOUNG CONTENDERS willing to fight at short notice, and not crying off with injuries or on two-fight a year schedules or making silly purse demands.

 

Part of me hopes that Valuev so brutaly knocks him out so that it is obvious even to Holyfield that there is nothing left to fight on for.

 

Totally agree, my fear would be that somehow he wins (i know he won't) because then he would end up fighting one of the two klitchko's or Haye for a big money fight and they could quite possibly kill him. He won't win though so it shouldn't be a problem

 

Holyfield still has a good hook, and I think he might be able to land the way Chagaev landed. I pick Valuev, but I do give Holyfield a chance at the upset.

 

It's the concept of Holyfield winning that truly scares me the most of all.

That puts a huge target on the old man's head. Any thoughts of respect from opponents for the old man go flying firmly out of the window - whoever's getting a shot at his WBA title will be looking to make a name for themself and taking him out as hard and as viciously as possible.

 

Duran is healthy and well off today ... what a joke... despite the fact he tarnished his image as an all time great fighter by taking beatings he never should have taken and had become the classic stepping stone , losing to men who would never have been able to shine his shoes in his near prime, he took hundreds of punches in his forties and fifties. Despite your cliche response, that was far from healthy ... in addition , he remains close to broke and lives off his name not his savings ...

You are correct that is was his choice as it is Holyfield's but let's not say it's not sad and tragic. Duran fought on way after he should have for one reason and it was money. Holyfield, despite what he now mumbles, fights for money. He has taken a ton of punishment and made hundreds of millions of dollars and it is pathetic that he now will fight on in a freak show and risk injury.

When we see a fifty year old Evander punch drunk and inaudible, will you call him well off?

 

Duran IS healthy.

The fact that he took hundreds of extra punches the last several years he fought is irrelevant. A car crash ended his fighting career, nothing else.

omg, he qwas hit in teh ring when he was oldd!!1

You're point? He's fine as of today, and as more then one poster here will tell you he IS decently well off. One of our posters was actually in the area he lives at the moment and he'll assure you he is well enough. :hi:

 

And you've verified this with his doctor's ..? Doubtful. Well off, based on the millions he made or the kindness of others? I have met him multiple times over the past five years and know for a fact he has symptoms of dementia and lives extremely modestly. No big secret either.

 

So I'm assuming YOU'RE this mythical doctor in question judging by how much time you spend with Duran and these tell tale symptoms you've picked up during your stay.

 

Holyfield sets a new definition for "house broke" for that monstrosity he's had constructed.