Valuev was terrible, judging was even worse

Haye was bluffing about the KO, and it was good to see him get a 12 round under his belt. Although it wasn't the most exciting fight, im glad Haye got the business done. The judge who scored it a draw is a joker.

 

Could I just say that, although I'm over the moon with the Haye win, on Bet365 live-in play market going into the 12th round Valuev was 1/6 to win and Haye was 7/2.

This means that the bookies had Valuev up by a big distance!!!!

 

Much like all the posters here who thought Valuev won.:rofl

 

No it doesn't, it means that they expected Valuev to get the decision. That's not the same thing at all.

 

no one deserved to win that fight. it was ****ing pathetic and it was david haye's fault. i can't believe people on here are buying the hype. he hardly did anything, throwing 10 punches a round while valuev was following him around the ring, instead of cutting off the ring hitting nothing but air.

 

i actually was browsing the david haye not doing roadwork thread and people were saying he had excellent stamina. holy **** people are delusional as ****. any professional boxer can look fresh after 12rounds when they throw ten or so punches a round.

 

Yeah, it was a bad night for judging all right - because the judges awarded Haye rounds for running and doing nothing. Valuev came forward, he made the fight, he had a better workrate, and he landed far more punches than many are giving him credit for - including apparently the judges who scored it for Haye. You shouldn't win fights by running.

 

That's because you're the only one who saw these mythical punches land....

I guess you'll be crediting Haye more for his chin in future anyway after all the punches you saw him take :hey

 

The Klitschkos do it all the time and win. Floyd does it, and by the way, he is 39 and O. People saying a boxer "runs" don't know what they are talking about. It is a defensive tactic that works effectively to avoid being hit. Totally legit.

 

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Let the hate go. Its not good for you

 

Exactly.

 

Let me be clear too, I picked Haye to win and wanted him to win because it would set up FAR better fights. I'm no Haye nuthugger and I have serious doubts about his viability in the division, but imo he just didn't do enough to win.

That said, in fights where the activity rate is as abysmally low as this one, scoring it has a lot to do with what you look for in criteria. I am not a fan of the "Mayweather style" and don't think it should win fights unless a guy who is doing all that running CLEARLY lands more punches. Haye did not do that. Valuev landed more punches than he is being given credit for, and that, combined with his greater workrate and the fact that he pressed the fight, to me, justified scoring the rounds for them. This said, in MANY of the rounds there was not much to separate the two, so I could see people scoring it the other way IF you give points for movement, avoiding punches that kind of thing. I am prejudiced toward guys who "make" the fight, I admit that, and I make no apologies for that. Aggression should count for a lot in boxing, particularly when there isn't much to separate the fighters otherwise.

 

Fair points.

But personally I think if you land more and cleaner shots than your opponent you should always win. An aggressor being made to miss all night looks very amateurish. Put a boxer in the ring with a guy who just thinks he can fight. I'm pretty sure the boxer would make him misss and then punish him not come out swinging