Valuev won?? Idiots!!

It only works that way if the champ is a Brit (Froch let's say.)

 

Dont worry man most of these so called fans are just plain idiots and like discrediting people so they can make themselves feel better !

 

It's just hate mate. Haye did a fantastic job at outclassing someone who outweighed him by 93lbs. I've never seen so many missed shots, and it was Haye's movement that made the shots hit air.

 

I scored the fight as if I was a 'hometown' judge. In otherwords, if Haye didn't obviously win the round, then I gave it to Valuev, because this was the style of judging I was expecting.

Therefore it was a great surprise to me when Haye got the decision. Haye just didn't do anything in the middle rounds, and if he had lost the decision he would have had only himself to blame.

I think it was one of those political decisions made because that is the pathway people want to follow. The same as Hatton got the decision against Collazo because people wanted to see Hatton/Mayweather fight, Haye got the nod because the Klits vs Haye will be a bigger fight and more publicity.

Having said all that, 116-112 though? I'd say it was closer than that, either way you happened to score it.

 

I had it about the same. Forget all that hometown crap, if you land more shots..you win the round, and Haye outlanded Valuev in practically every round with the exception of a few in the middle. Did Haye land a lot? No, but he landed more than Valuev did, and also gets credit for making Valuev miss, rather than Valuev getting credit for ineffective aggression.

I love your political theory. Haye got the nod because he outboxed the bigger...much bigger man.

 

I felt Valuev won but seeing how many people had Haye winning this fight I question my own scoring system. I understand that clean punching is the most important factor when scoring a round but in the case of a round where one guy pressures throws weak ass jabs and somewhat connects although not cleanly and the other guy runs around the ring and throws 2-3 clean punches I feel its not enough. Similar case was with Calzaghe vs Hopkins. Calzaghe threw many inefective punches (Hopkins fans claim non of them connected but of course some did) and Hopkins threw 3 clean punches per round. I gave Haye rounds where he threw a bit more than 3 punches but other rounds I felt Valuev deserved.

 

At least Calzaghe was landing on the arms or the chest when he missed. Valuev was literally hitting air, Haye was gone. You can't score that fight for Valuev with a straight face...really?

 

Yea ok but where was the offence? He made Valuev miss but almost never counterpunched. I gave him all the rounds when he opened up even for a very short period and I still had him losing this fight.

 

now you're harming your argument by exagerrating. Valeuv hit Haye a number of times too. In fact, in those middle rounds I'd say Valuev outlanded Haye by more than Haye outlanded Valuev in the rounds he won.

 

Then take up golf. Sorry, it's that simple. Haye didn't throw as many shots as Valuev, but he landed more. We aren't really disputing that are we?

 

I think Valuev landed maybe 2-3 clean shots the entire fight, I count a few javs and one right hook. Haye out landed him, and made him miss, and put him on ***** street. It's as plain as day who won the fight. The middle rounds were won not because Valuev was landing more than perhaps 1 or 2 shots in the rounds (none of which were clean), it was because Haye stopped throwing.

 

Dude, watch it again. I actually have the fight. Valuev hits in the arms/chest more than enough times to count on both hands.

 

Seriously I dont see HAye winning this fight. Valuev's jab is not intended to be thrown with power like Klitschko's but I totally disagree that he didnt land any punches. He was stalking Haye pushing that jab and some jabs connected, not cleanly and didnt affect Haye but those were scoring points, meanwhile Haye wasn't countering, just avoiding exchanges. I gave him all the rounds were he opened up and threw some punches wether they had any effect on Valuev or not.

 

A few times in the middle rounds, but more often than not Pete, Haye wasn't getting hit at all. Haye won the fight, and I know you have an incompetent scorecard, even at a draw, and that surprises me because your a great poster. We'll agree to disagree, I guess, but if we both sat down and watched the fight together, you wouldn't be able to point out more than 2 or 3 instances during the 12 rounds where Valuev lands a clean shot. We could, however, point out many more times as to where Haye lands a clean shot.

 

completely agree with this. Haye was landing the more eye catching punches for the judges, but how many, two per round? Come on, that's shocking. What it has shown is that a big Haye Klitschko fight is being set up. There is no way Haye can beat either Klitschko. His power is overrated as is his speed, and he's not the brave warrior who will go for the KO like he says. He won't outbox, outspeed, outthink or out punch Wlad.