Vanes "Nightmare" Martyrosian VS. Erislandy Lara NOV. 10 HBO, WHO U GOT? POLL

If Vanes pushes in looking to land straight shots, "as he does" Lara will hit him at will with a straight left hand, for 12 rounds "Olympic Level Boxing" ?? Lara was a world Ama champion !!!

Lara will not be aggressive, Vanes will be the aggressor

 

Lara is gonna put on a clinic against Vanes...Vanes has always been quite overrated IMO.

IMO, Lara movement is gonna be what wins him this match up against Vanes.

 

I dont think you can read too much into the Hernandez fight, while Lara flattered to deceive it underlines his nature of being laboured when he's not truly being tested

Canelo looked like **** against Alfonso Gomez and people were doing back flips when it was clear the kid was just plodding

Paul Williams marched in to Lara and sat on the end of a sharp rear hand all night, i get the feeling Vanes is in for the same treatment, Vanes is more well schooled and polished than PW, but he's of a similar mould, what Williams brings/brought into the pro game is more effective over the course of a 12 round professional bout than what Vanes brings to the party IMHO

 

But Vanes may be able to control the distance effectively, if he utilizes his reach.

If he can steal enough rounds it will force Lara to be more aggressive and come foward.

Also Vanes will take some risks because Lara is a sharp puncher, but not a devestating one.

 

You should keep in mind that Williams was a southpaw which actually benefited Lara. Additionally, the blue print was already laid out by Sergio Martinez.

Vanes is good enough to establish that awkward distance between a southpaw and a orthadox fighter due to his amateur pedigree. He is effective at utilizing his reach and keeping fighters at the end of his punches.

This is not an easy fight for Lara. At least I don't think so.

I don't think Lara's inside game is his strong point, so the Ouma fight is somewhat irrelevant because Ouma used his size, fearlessness, and activity to take the fight to Vanes.

Remember, Ouma is also the guy that got plastered all over the ring by HUGE puncher GGG, before the ref saved him. If anything can be said about Ouma, it's that he's fearless and can take a hell of a punch.

I don't know how well Lara can take a punch, but I do know he was getting frusterated and resorted to illegal tactics against Hernandez who was making him uncomfortable.

 

I don't see how Vanes have been overrated. Almost everyone think he's got no chance against Lara. If anyone is overrated, it's Lara on this board. People like to ignore how he drew with Monlina and had problems with Hernandez in his previous fight.

Vanes is not the next coming, but he's no bum. He's got amateur pedigree, just like Lara. He beat guys like Trout (multiple times), Bradley and Berto in the amateurs. Rigo is hyped the same way because of his amateur accomplish, so why the hate on Vanes?

Vanes schooled Chavez Jr in sparring and he's still improving. He signed this fight a full 3 weeks before Lara did. On paper, this fight only slightly favors Lara, but not by much. I expect a close competitive fight.

 

What Lara did to Williams, no fighter before him achieved, not even Sergio, Sergio KO'd him, but in the 1st fight, Williams took control of the fight with his work rate, Lara was too good for Williams and stood in the center of the ring and basically beat him to the punch, with well timed rear hands, and superior ring craft

If Vanes keeps Lara on the end of a 1-2 all the way to a UD i wont post on this forum again, it simply will not happen, Lara is too good at negating distance and his timing is simply exquisite, Vanes will need to fight outside of his usual profile to be effective, something i believe is not possible, i didnt stay it was an easy fight for Lara, i said i believe the difference in skill will be the deciding factor come the end of the fight, Lara IMO will put rounds in the bank by boxing his natural game, Vanes will need to work outside the box to put rounds in the bank as he will find himself being hit from medium/long range too often

Vanes being orthodox benefits him ??, explain

 

Completely different levels of ama pedigree :nono

 

Cuban fighters often misunderstand the judges and risking losing fights that way.
Its not enough to be the best fighter, you got to work hard every round and not be lazy in some rounds.
Last weekend Cuban Franco got his first loss in an IBF 126 eliminator i Argentina,no doubt he was the best fighter but.....

 

And Vanes is on the same level as Lara in terms of amateur pedigree. They both lose to the same fighter, but the difference was that Vanes avenged his defeat, while Lara lost 4 times.

Amateurs don't mean that much in the pros, but Lara's and Vanes accomplishments are not that different. In the pros, there's nothing that Lara has shown that he's that much better than Vanes. He is perceived as better because of style, but people don't realized is that Lara is fairly conservative in the ring, while Vanes is more active, making this fight a fairly even match-up.

 

Well thats debatable, Lara was a world champion Vanes a multiple Golden Gloves champion, which holds more value ?? a topic for debate

Given that Lara fights better when fighters come onto him, i think stylistically Lara could make this a relatively easy nights work, i say could, its just the way i see the styles and the skill sets coming together

I see Lara as the more composed, varied and skilled fighter when speaking generally about these two, this isnt based on anything other than levels of skill, ama boxing is ama boxing, it bears little resemblance on how they have developed and what they are today, it just provides the base

 

Lara will take a UD, in a very technical fight. Vanes should really apply pressure and try to land that right hand, otherwise Lara will just outbox him. If Vanes can find Lara and time him with his right hand, it will be a long night for the "Oro de Guantanamo". Can't wait for this fight!

 

I can see this fight being underwhelming with both fighters trying to stay on the outside. I think this is very competitive. People say they expect Vanes to press the fight, but that's not really his style. Not to say, he won't throw punches and initiate, but he fights at his range, same as Lara.

He's also mobile and quick, so this is no walk in the park. I'd say it's about 50/50.

 

Also, another thing, Lara looks to counter but when a guy is throwing combinations, he just covers up. This will allow Vanes to win round on aggression. That's where he'll land to the body.

I'm going with Vanes in this fight. He'll upset the world and break some hearts on ESB, but such is life.