"Vargas-Mayorga is stupid, I won't buy it" + "Jones-Trinidad, HOORAY!" =

Idiotic hypocrisy.

I bought the one, and am buying the other. But an overwhelming MAJORITY of ESB posters caught this holier-than-thou attitude over The Brawl, acting like it was bad for the sport for two celebrated ring veterans to settle a fistic score and go out in a blaze of glory, with a decent undercard and at a reasonable price that nobody was forced to pay. :roll:

And now the overhwelming MAJORITY seem to be all abuzz over Jones-Trinidad, and while there were a few snarky (and not totally off-the-mark) murmurs when the fight was first made about what a "waste of time" and "circus" it was (for a TRUE waste of time circus fight, see Mayweather-Hatton :deal - and I've been saying that for a year now) now everybody seems to be caught up in the fever.

God damn hypocritical sheep. Just because Roy and Tito combined are a lot more popular than Ricardo and Fernando combined, doesn't mean they're not equally past it, equally insignificant to any weight division/the sport in general right now, and equally undeserving (on paper) of headlining a PPV.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the occasional novelty fight. I'm going to enjoy tomorrow night's bout probably as much as I enjoyed Vargas-Mayorga. But let's call a spade a spade. The two fights are more or less the same thing. And with all this talk of "legacy" being affected and who the victor will face next - people are acting like they aren't.

You're just a bunch of trendy little bitches, most of you.

 

Meh, one's not any less of a circus because the two guys involved were better p4p talents in their long-gone primes.

At the end of the day, The Brawl and Bring On The Titans are cash-outs for former stars, with the only real draw being "which guy is going to get KTFO?".

Trinidad, Jones, Vargas, and Mayorga were ALL top-level guys in their heyday. You can't deny that. Hell, I'm the biggest Vargas hater around and I'll admit he was a top guy in the divisions he campaigned in for most of his career. Sure, Trinidad and Jones were on a much higher tier of talent (and popularity) during their runs at the top than either Vargas or Mayorga - so what? Vargas and Mayorga were stars, if not superstars. Besides, that was then. Right now, all four are equally (ir)relevant to the sport. And so are the two fights.

I'm not putting Vargas and Mayorga on Jones and Trinidad's level career-wise, stop twisting my words and evading the issue. From a purist's perspective, at this stage, this fight DOES NOT MATTER. At all. I'm still buying it (for entertainment value) but it DOES NOT MATTER. In that way it is exactly the same as Mayorga fighting Vargas - which DID NOT MATTER (but still got some PPV money - including some from me - for the entertainment value). THAT is my point. It was very trendy to bash that fight and say "oh that's not worth buying, it's meaningless" when it was CLEARLY being marketed as just for entertainment value. Now another fight comes along that's equally meaningless (right now - again I'm not putting down RJJ or Trinidad's past accomplishments or reducing their careers to the level of Mayorga's and Vargas') - but it's oh so trendy to be excited about it and virtually nobody is mentioning that it is a meaningless fight with nothing but entertainment value.

Whatever, agree with me or be a trendhopper. Your choice. Goodnight.

 

Why pending? :think

If Tito manages to catch him with his vaunted (though untested either recently or this high in weight) power - then what have we learned? That Roy's vulnerable? Capable of making mistakes against less talented opposition? Not in possession of a granite chin? These are all things you knew already.

If he he beats Tito as expected, then what do we know about Roy vis-a-vis the SMW/LHW divisions right now? He can beat up a bloated shot middleweight? He is capable of dominating someone he is 'supposed' to be able dominate (the same lesson gleaned from the Hanshaw and Ajamu fights)?

:huh

How does it matter at all? Either way, it just reinforces things we already know about Roy:

- was once incredibly skilled; still retains some of that but has markedly diminished speed and reflexes (though exactly how diminished is up to debate)
- has vulnerabilities, makes mistakes, can be knocked out
- is still able to dominate and look like his old self against smaller non-elite competition.

Where is the opportunity to learn anything outside this very elementary curricula in Bring On The Titans? How is anything pending the outcome?

 

If it was Sugar Ray Leonard versus Pernell Whitaker in 2008, and I called it a circus, would I be putting down SRL or Sweet Pea, or comparing them to Vargas and Mayorga in terms of skill and accomplishment? This is just a convenient way of attacking my credibility by putting words in my mouth that didn't originate there. I never said Vargas and Mayorga were on Jones and Trinidad's level all-time. I said their relevance in 2007/2008 is more or less on par, and the match-ups between the two are more or less on par in significance. Not once ever did I say Vargas and Mayorga prime for prime would have been a bigger fight, or that either were as skilled or accomplished as either Jones or Trinidad. This argument needs to GO - and people need to recognize my point. I'm not naming names or pointing fingers, but MOST people dissed the Mayo-Vargas fight and MOST people are pumped about Jones-Trinidad. Whatever ANY of those guys accomplished more than two years ago ain't got DICK to do with the fact that NONE of them (with the exception of maybe Jones) mean ANYTHING to the sport right now. These are both cash-out circus fights, except one was trendy to hate on and one is trendy to be pumped about. THAT and THAT ALONE is my 100% IRREFUTABLE point. :deal

 

People are just willfully misinterpreting me and coming out with this "Mayo and Vargas aren't Jones and Trinidad" (uh...no ****ing DUH) distraction bull**** because I'm clearly making folks UNCOMFORTABLE and they don't want to be confronted with what I'm actually saying. :rofl

My point about people not forming their own opinions and hopping on trends, hitting a little close to home, is it? :deal

 

I'm not saying don't be excited about RJJ-Trinidad. I'm getting sort of excited about it (in a "hey, there's probably going to be a brutal knockout of a former superstar tomorrow night, with a decent undercard" kind of way.)

I'm just sort of trying to rub people's nose in the stink they made about Vargas-Mayorga, which turned out to be quite entertaining and money well spent on my part - as I knew it would be. People thinking this fight is more important need to stop deluding themselves. It's schtick. It's entertainment. If you're a diehard fan of either guy, or ever were, you'll tune in. Or you'll tune in out of morbid fascination. With the brawl - it was the same thing. Diehards tuned in, and the 'trainwreck' crowd checked it out. But everyone who did order it was made to feel ashamed by the majority of voices on ESB sneering in derision at how worthless it was. This fight is EQUALLY worthless. Go ahead, buy it and enjoy it. But it's no less a guilty pleasure than was The Brawl. Recognize that, is all I ask. You have every right to be pumped about tomorrow's likely fireworks. But I'm sure alot of the same people getting excited - were right on the bandwagon a few months ago talking about how ******ED anyone would have to have been to be pumped about Vargas-Mayorga.

And I just had to point that out, because the disparity between the hype for the two fights just reinforced what fickle bitches most boxing fans are and I relish in the opportunity to remind you all of that.