"Vargas-Mayorga is stupid, I won't buy it" + "Jones-Trinidad, HOORAY!" =

I'm sorry, I thought we were having an intelligent conversation. Maybe you missed it, but I posted some analytical breakdown of why your opinion of RJJ as a factor at 168/175 should not be 'pending' the outcome of tomorrow's fight, and you come at me with this non-answer bull****. Yeah, no **** if he wins the likelihood of a payday against Calzaghe/Hopkins is better than if he loses. What does that have to do with anything? Did you even read my post? Did you get the question? What are you looking for in Roy's performance tomorrow that will help you place him as a factor in 168/175? That's what having an opinion pending means - awaiting further data. What data are you waiting for? Is it simply whether he ends up with a W or an L, which a million factors could affect? Is that really as deep as your analysis as a boxing fan runs? Try again.

When did I say Mayorga was on the same level as Roy Jones? Find that part of any post where I said that and highlight it for me, please. Cut the ****.

 

In this thread, we've seen:

#1 people genuinely not getting my point due to poor reading comprehension/ADD/low intelligence/language barrier/other.
#2 people pretending to not get my point because they didn't like what I had to say.
#3 unfounded accusations that I am comparing fighters I never intended to compare p4p, h2h, or any other way - probably an attempt at misdirection to obscure #2 :yep
#4 deafening silence; nobody taking accountability and saying "you know what, that applies to me. I talked a bunch of trash about Mayorga-Vargas along with most everybody else on here, and I'm swept up in the hype for Jones-Trinidad, and you know what, you're right, it's unfair to act like this one is so much more important to the present and future of the sport when it clearly isn't...it differs from the fight I so wantonly badmouthed only in that it features more popular, more accomplished, and more skilled fighters"

 

So? You're splitting hairs. What is your point exactly? Do you understand my point? At all?

Neither fight is to determine who still "has it". Neither fight is about "which guy is going to get back in title contention and mix it up with the new blood in the division?" They're both shot-fighter cashouts. This one is a shot-fighter cashout between much more highly regarded, and probably less shot fighters. That doesn't make it any more significant to the boxing scene of today and tomorrow. Nobody's claiming RJJ is going to hold down 168 and/or 175 for years to come if he wins. Even the guy who said he's interested in this fight because he 'considers Roy a factor' admits it's only because of the possibility of another big cashout payday against another OLD established name.

Jones and Trinidad were both greater in their primes than both Vargas and Mayorga.
Jones and Trinidad both could very well (Trinidad is more of the question mark) have a lot left than either Vargas or Mayorga.

Uh..yeah, no ****. Thanks for pointing those keen insights out.

You keep reiterating the above obvious rhetoric like it's anything I'm refuting. You're artfully dodging my point. The ESB flock by and large mocked The Brawl, with the primary gripe being that it had no bearing on the present or future of the sport. The ESB flock by and large is positively gushing over Bring On The Titans, and glossing over the fact that it has no bearing on the present or future of the sport. It's favoritism, it's trendy bull****, and that is and has been this whole time, my ONLY point in this thread.

 

I think for me, being so far past prime is the great equalizer. Obviously Jones and Trinidad are only a few years removed from their respective primes (or the tail end anyhow) but this is still not two prime legends fighting, any more than it would be if Leonard and Whitaker fought in 2008. The fact that they're more than a couple of years past their best brings the net value and overall significance (insofar as the present and future of the sport) down so far that it is more or less on the level of a past-prime Vargas-Mayorga...or a past-prime Leonard-Whitaker...or a past-prime Campas-JCC Sr. Shot is shot. Past it is past it. Doesn't matter who the names are - guys who don't have any business in the ring, stepping in together, (in this case you can only argue that Roy still has anything left and anything to offer the sport and even that is up in the air) is only an event for entertainment schtick value and the curiousity of who's getting KTFO. That makes it no different from a similar fight with lesser fighters. That's how dramatically and severely being past prime diminishes (or, IMO, ought to diminish) a matchup that would have been a legendary night had it taken place years earlier.

And no, Jones versus either Calzaghe or Hopkins does NOT matter until Jones proves he belongs in the ring with elite competition his own size - which is still pending and will remain pending after this fight, IMO. Prime Jones versus Calzaghe or Hopkins is worth salivating over. This Jones who's been cherrypicking small opponents has yet to prove he can hang in the ring with Calzaghe or Hopkins right now.

If Trinidad wins it will be by fluke KO and I would hope it didn't set up another fight for him. He would not deserve a big marquee fight based on a fluke KO over a vulnerable (and possibly shot) Jones - the same way Jones would not deserve a Calzaghe or Hopkins for beating up yet another undersized (and in this case, flabby and rusty) opponent.

 

Trinidad is in better shape than Vargas, but he looks SOFT. He got schooled his last time in the ring (indicating that he was shot just as much as the Mosley fights indicated so for Vargas) and has been out of it for a looooooong time. He's cashing himself in, marching like a lamb to the slaughter in exactly the same way Vargas did. Just because he didn't recently look bad and get KTFO in back-to-back fights doesn't mean he's more of a serious threat.

 

That made it undeniably worth the money. That and the KD's.