Vargas only 29..

Chimba, your illigetimate sons are being pimp slapped around in the other Pac thread.

Maybe you could help them, or put them in their place. Whatever a good father should do, you know.

 

for me,he was never that good anyway,to go with the beatings.its harder to hold off father time when your nothing special.think of the punishment hearns took from leonard,hagler and barclay but still went on at a high level. talent can compensate for aging(duran,holy,hops,shane etc).but vargas didnt have much to fall back on.
furthermore once your a world champ,you have to fight the elite.he fought tito in his 21st fight.tough,he didnt have to.dont be world champ then.
if he'd fought tito,oscar and shane at any time he'd have been trashed.
not a bad fighter,but never saw him as special at elite level.

 

Vargas met his demise in three steps:

1. Lived a criminal life which forced his management into cashing him out against Trinidad sooner than was best for him.

2. The Trinidad beating, followed by the DLH beating.

3. The bodily abuse, illegal substances, weight gain between fights, etc.

 

Ive disowned them ...Im moving on...

what? U think PAC beats Juan Diaz? hahahaha...see

 

Nothing to do with Juan Diaz, actualy more to do with David Diaz being justified as an opponent over JMM, Juan Diaz, or Guzman.

 

this is what happens to fighter that don't have any defense and give the fighting fans what they want Brawls , you end up like vargus cook ,roasted and done at 29.
considering he was done 6 years ago at 23

 

David Diaz is no joke I hope PAC doesn't get muscled around.

I really think that Diaz has a shot here. PAC can be wild at times..hes got alot of flaws

 

Junior Jones was done by age 28.
The same story : Though fights, unhealthy lifestyle and some genetics

 

This is the best summary of all. I'd just add that his criminal life was ultimately responsible for his wrecked back which led to the weight gain, balance problems and beatings he later received. It amazes me how many guys from the hood never are able to appreciate the fact that they have risen above their upbringing once they achieve real success and it ends up destroying what made them special and able to rise above it in the end.

Sad really when you think about it. With the slowed speech, enormous weight gain, and what seem to be overtly poor investments, I hope Vargas doesn't end up like a lot of other post-retirement boxing tragedies.

 

Yep. And mark my words, if Pavlik doesn't develop a defense he will be on the same train in about two years. For all of the criticism Mayweather and Hopkins get for their "boring" styles, neither guy will end up eating out of a straw at 60.

 

I think Tito is the one who really ruined Vargas careers.

 

true,but at world level youre likely to fight an elite fighter at some point.
tito didnt ruin oscar,b hop and winky(i know he was past it by then,but thats not my point),but did ruin joppy,reid and vargas.
they were nothing special,the first 3 were.

 

Yup , this is exactly true. I want to add to that that this is the reason Cuba's team almost never let guys younger then 20 participate at the Olympics. Your body is growing untill your 21th birthday.

This happens with many athletes, not only boxers. TOO much TOO early

 

Yeah, though I'd say the second one was more of a factor than the other two. Also, he messed up his back a long time ago and I think that brought him down a few levels.

 

he foughtg the best way too quickly at 21 he was champoin....which is awful.

he was 17 when oscar and tito were world champions.

good fighter but he was just put in with the best with his balls out aggresion.

i think he was just paraded as an elite fighter wich he wasnt as got pushed into fights that he couldnt win.