Variation's of the 1-2

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    A wee while ago lora made an interesting observation about the way John Conteh throws his 1-2. He observed that Conteh would throw his jab slightly short then get a bit more extension on the right hand to land it and catch his opponent by surprise. He also mentioned it was a very good variation from the traditional 1-2

    This weekend I was watching some Bernard Hopkins and noticed he had his own slight variation of the classic 1-2.

    As he would throw his jab he would slide his left foot further out to the left, allowing him to pop a hard, sneak straight right down the middle. It is a lovely shot and a superb, very clever, move. He also further varied this by feinting with his left shoulder (feinting the jab) then using that feint to slide his left foot across to get in position for the sneak right.

    His best display of this is the first round of the Joe Calzaghe bout, where he drops Calzaghe with this exact technique.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarzvN_gQGk[/ame]

    Has anyone else noticed any slight variations of the 1-2 that despite being minute changes, they reap fairly big rewards?
     
  2. Meast

    Meast New Member Full Member

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    Video didn't last long! That fights always disappearing from youtube.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Haha

    Gone in 60 seconds.

    Must have been. I'm off to my bed just soon so I will change it tomorrow hopefully. I'm sure you guys all get the idea of my thread without it though.
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNASdyzcQ54[/ame]

    There's a replay at the start of this video showing the knock down
     
  5. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The pawing rangefinding jab-massive clubbing telegraphed right is perhaps my favourite here Greg.
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

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    The short jab/extended right worked well for Conteh against Finnegan's keggy handed stance iirr. Almost like a lead right in a way.
    Somebody mentioned on GP's Laguna-Ramos thread the other day how well Laguna threw the inverted 1-2, which seems like a decent example.
     
  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Danny Lopez always liked to add an extra jab at the end to turn it into a three punch combo.

    Napoles and Monzon do the deliberately short or pawing jab thing a lot as well.It's all about giving the opponent the illusion they are in control of the range.It can be risky though if your opponent is quicker than you, and requires strong timing and judgement of distance not to be punished for just throwing a lazy punch, which is probably why you don't see many fighters consistently using those sort of traps anymore.
     
  8. Tin_Ribs

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    Lewis was effective at pawing out the jab in seemingly half-hearted way that could draw the other man onto either his uppercut or heavy, bludgeoning right (to the back of the head usually). In fact, the groping left was half decent at holding the other man still while he did it, usually with the uppercut. It definitely worked, legal or not.
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Max Baer's variation was the 0-2 ;)
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    The Moon or Galaxy variety?

    You could say that Michael Spinks had an adapted version of that as he threw the jab turning his shoulder fully in to get a long and very hard right hand.

    Yeh Laguna has a lovely 2-1. Times them really well, Hopkins aint too shabby at it either but he tends to turn the hook in instead of the jab.

    Olivares was another master of the short, slow jab IMO.

    :lol:
     
  11. di tullio

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    Reminds of something I've seen Lennox Lewis and Ezzard Charles do. Throw a left hook, take a step to the left, and come through with the right. Lewis knocked out Rahman and put Grant down a third time with it. Charles used it on Pat Valentino, I think.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    "The one-two punch has been in use for hundreds of years. Hundreds. But you don't know what it is.
    The one-two punch is this. It is socko ! in the solar plexus with your right. Then wham ! on the jaw with your right. It's all in one motion and it's all done with one hand. That's the real one-two."

    Jack Johnson, 1942.
     
  13. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Fighters often dont put full extension on their jab to give their opponent a false sense of security of range. Once they feel they can touch them with a half jab they throw the one two.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yeh stepping to the left opens up a lot of oppertunities for the right hand.

    Interesting that. Arguello was the master at this '1-2'
     
  15. El Bujia

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    Me, me!