Vasiliy Lomachenko turns professional in 2009. Educate me...

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  1. Braindamage

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    Agree 100%. He would have had more accomplishments by now and 35+ fights and possibly still undefeated.
     
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  2. Serge

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    Part 1. I'll come back to do part 2 when I can be bothered


    Now they want us to disbelieve what all our eyes see as clear as day and they're trying to convince us that Loma is or was a weight bully :facepalm:

    You can't make this up.

    What next?

    Mike Tyson was a featherfist?

    George Chuvalo and Oliver McCall were glass-jawed?

    Willie Pep was easy to hit?

    SRL was slow?

    Unlike many of the favourites of his haters, Loma is the complete antithesis of a weight bully

    Lucky we have many of his and his opponent's fight night weights, eh?

    At 126

    Loma 129 - Ramirez 135
    Loma 136 - Salido 147
    Loma 138½ - Russell 138
    Loma 134 - Koasicha 133
    Loma 138 - Rodriguez 132
    Loma 132 - Piriyapinyo 137

    So he was the smaller man in half of his fights at his FIRST weight class in which he was outweighed by 11lbs, 6lbs and 5lbs in them and in two of the three fights he was the bigger man he outweighed his opponents by a whopping total of 0.5lbs and 1lb :lol:

    In only one of six fights at the weight did he have more than a 1lb advantage

    And at 130

    Loma 137 - Walters 136
    Loma 139 - Sosa 142
    Loma 137 - Martinez 144

    Loma vs Marriaga - Marriaga weighed 135lbs down at 126 against Walters and likely would've been heavier than that after moving up to 130 to face Loma so again there was a minimal weight advantage for Loma if one at all

    Loma 137-138 - Rigo ? (he was 130 the morning of the fight in his tracksuit)

    So Loma has two fights at 126 and 130 where he had a significant weight advantage, one of which a big one

    And in those 11 fights he was the smaller man x 5, and he had a weight advantage of more than 1lb twice, and possibly three times assuming that Marriaga didn't come in heavier at all after moving up to fight Loma at 130, and even if he didn't it would've been a couple of pounds

    And as for Loma at 135, do we really need to play this stupid game where we pretend to be blind where we cannot see that all those guys he's fought at that weight are much or way bigger than him? The bare minimum being 7-8lbs but most of the time 10-15lbs or as much as 20lbs and you can see this with your own eyes because the size disparity is glaring

    Haney, Commey, Nakatani, Campbell, Ortiz, Teofimo, Kambosos and Crolla were all much, way or way way bigger than him. Most of them are massive lightweights for goodness sake :facepalm:

    So all 21 of his fights he's been the smaller man at least 14 times, been the much or way smaller man at least 13 times, only had a weight advantage of 5lbs or more twice, only had one of about 9lbs once, and in the 5 or possible 7 fights he was the ''bigger'' man he only had a weight advantage of more than 1lbs twice, possibly three times and even then it only would've been by a couple of pounds


    Now let's move on to reach

    Loma 65.5'' reach

    Walters 73'' reach
    Haney 71'' reach
    Campbell 71'' reach
    Commey 71'' reach
    Nakatani 71'' reach
    Pedraza 70.5'' reach
    Linares 69'' reach
    Ortiz 69'' reach
    Rodriguez 69'' reach
    Lopez 68.5'' reach
    Rigo 68'' reach
    Kambosos 68'' reach
    Sosa 67'' reach
    Crolla 67'' reach
    Marriaga 67'' reach
    Martinez 67'' reach
    Koasicha
    Piriyapinyo
    Salido 67'' reach
    Ramirez 65.5'' reach
    Russell Jr. 64'' reach

    So in 21 of his fights, 19 of which where his opponent's reaches are listed, he's had a reach advantage a whopping one time and that was by 1.5 inches

    He's been at a reach disadvantage at least 17 times

    By 1.5 inches or more (the amount he advantage in the only fight he had an advantage of the 19 fights were his opponent's reaches were listed) 17 times

    By 2.5 inches or more 12 times

    By 3 or more inches 10 times

    And by 5 or more inches 6 times

    So as you can see not only is the weight bully, him being big at the weight, and much bigger than his opponents narratives completely untrue the complete opposite is true and that in fact he's usually the smaller, much or way smaller man, extremely rarely the significantly or much bigger man, like twice, and he's almost always at a reach disadvantage, a significant or huge one most of the time and he has only actually had the reach advantage once out of the 19 fights where his opponents reaches are listed :facepalm:

    As for him winning medals at lightweight in the amateurs which is 132 in the amateurs not 135, a division he was undersized at. Hence why he was more dominant at featherweight, what were the names of the gold medalists in the Olympics and World Amateur championships the years he won gold at lightweight? Answers on a postcard please

    What were the names of the fighters who competed at featherweight when Loma had those six fights at lightweight in the WSB which again is 132lbs

    Teofimo

    'He’s better off at 130 or 126. “I think that 135 is too heavy for him. I think that he’s too sluggish at 135. But let’s see, man. Let’s see what this whole one-year rest does for him.

    “I’m a big 135 pounder. I can be fighting at 140 right now. I’m very comfortable at this weight. Everything that this man does do that they say, he’s decreasing. I’m not even in my prime yet and I’m out here just outdoing guys. He’s on his way out, and it’s showing. Your body can only take so much damage, and I guarantee you we’re going to put some damage on this man.”

    “He’s on the way out of the sport and 135 is just too big ,” the Honduran-American said.

    Lomachenko, 32, started his career in 2013 as a 126-pounder. Lopez, 23, has fought at 135 since he turned pro in 2016.

    ''I think that he's on his way out. I really do believe that and 135 is just too much of a big weight class for him''

    ''If you look at the Luke Campbell fight, you can see there is just a lot of wear-and-tear on his body.

    “I look at it like this—maybe this whole COVID-19 year helped him out. Maybe he needed it. That way he can probably at least hang in there a little bit with me. It’s going to be a great fight. I just look at the facts. You see a fighter who has gone up in weight class. Sometimes they go up too much where their body isn’t used to it, or the weight class is too big for them.''

    “This man has had over 400 fights. I have over 150 fights. I’m 23. I’m going to tell you this, when I get to camp, oh man, my body aches sometimes. If I’m 23 and dealing with stuff at this age, I can only imagine what he must be going through at 32 with over 400 fights.”

    ''I'm not going to have a 126 pounder come out here and try and take over on me. I'm a big guy''

    “A lot of people talk very highly about him. But if you look at it, there were so many mistakes he made against Luke Campbell. Loma tries too hard to make everybody think he can still do it, even though he’s 32 years old.

    Interviewer: ''Lomachenko is small for the weight class''

    Teofimo: ''Very!''

    ''No 126 pounder is beating my son'' --Teofimo Lopez Sr.

    Day of the weigh in

    Lopez looking like a sunken-eyed cadaver slurring his words, Loma looking the picture of health. Loma looked healthy on the scales down at 126 for goodness sake

    ''Skinny Fimo now, but then you get the monster tomorrow''

    ''By tomorrow I'm going to look like a different man. A whole new man''

    --Teofimo Lopez

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    Shakur Stevenson

    Interviewer: ''You saw Loma recently, how was that?''

    Shakur: ''Yeah I seen him. He looked small. That's what I really was thinking. He's tiny for 135, I just moved up and I felt way bigger than Lomachenko''

    Interviewer: ''He's like a natural featherweight''

    Shakur: ''I think he should go back down. I think he'd be a lot better at 130''

    "Devin is too big. Like, I think the size ... don't get me wrong, Lomachenko can fight. Devin is way out of his weight class. He's going to make 35 and then shoot up to 150 or 160 (actually 160) nive times out of 10, and Lomachenko is going to be 137 or 138, so it's just not even fair to me."

    “I think he [Devin Haney] smokes Lomachenko.


    “I didn’t like the way he looked against Ortiz. I saw him in the gym two or three weeks ago, he looked like a 126lb fighter, he doesn’t look like a 135lb fighter.

    “I think Dev is too long and tall.”

    But let's just keep playing this game where we pretend our eyes don't see what they clearly do

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    When that photo was taken

    135 << Loma was here here
    130
    126
    122
    118 << Inoue was here
     
  3. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    *Extra credit awarded for short arms and lack of height.
     
  4. Easyrhino

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    Loma is sitting on a much taller pile of cash
     
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  5. vargasfan1985

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  6. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Loma was an inch or two taller than 3 of his 126 foes and roughly equal for the other couple fights
     
  7. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He should have got the W against Salido

    That fat puta showed up overweight on purpose and low blowed Loma all night with no points docked
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I agree, but that probably happens if Loma turns pro earlier anyway
     
  9. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not at all. He would have handled the pace and low blows better.

    Salido was the one left hanging on in the last round because he was going to get stopped.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    I don't think he'd have handled them any better tbh.

    That still would have been his first 12 round fight in all likelihood.

    The ref still wouldn't have penalised the low blows.

    Salido still would have been left hanging in the final round.
     
  11. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Highly unlikely that Cole would be the referee. Almost any other man would have warned and/ordl deducted points.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    How many referees have actually deducted points from Salido?
     
  13. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dirty fighters like Salido adjust their actions according to the refereeing. Once Cole turned a blind eye Salido just stopped trying to be subtle.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But how many deducted him points?
     
  15. JusABoxinFan

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    TF does their height have to do with their body weight. Mike Tyson was 5'9" or 10 and fighting heavyweight......Do I have to name all of the current welter and middleweights who are his height or taller. There are a lot of different measurements that determine you body mass. Crawford was an inch or 2 taller than some of his welterweight foes, yet he still wasn't considered a "real welterweight"........ You show zero logic in your comments. Maybe it's because you lack common knowledge, or you just like to argue. Who knows? Just seems like you are begging for attention right now.