Vasiliy Lomachenko VS Alexis Arguello

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I have to agree that Lomachenko is a really talented fighter, but against a legend that Alexis Arguello is, would be a very great match. Alexis has the edge in overall experience, facing slick boxers like Ruben Castillo Alfredo Escalera,and big hitters,Ray Mancini and Ruben Olivares. Loma is very versatile and quick. He would pose a problem, as he is far quicker than Vilomar Fernandez, who defeated Alexis on points, in a non title ten rounder, in 1978, on points. Loma will give Arguello problems early, with his movement and speed. Alexis persistence and body punching will prevail for a TKO14 victory, it will not be easy.
     
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  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    that fight is the reason i mentioned that some people feel alex had trouble with movers, which fernandez did a whole lot.
    i was a huge fanboy of arguello as a kid, hes always been my all time favorite. hes the reason no other sport could ever take the place in my heart that boxing occupies. over the last dozen years here, i have written several times about how invested i was in him as a fan.
    a couple of days ago, i ran across a video of angel garcia talking about alexis as if he had read what i wrote about him and just copied the story. this is one of the posts ive made about him, its from 2012
    this is the video i saw of angel
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    i never got to meet alex, but i did get to have a couple of beers and good conversation with aaron pryor, at the chavez-whitaker fight. that night i finally forgave him for beating my idol, lol.
     
  3. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Spoiler: I'm biased for fighters who have proven their worth. Being compared to someone just writing their legacy is kind of an insult.

    If we use the Arguello that fought Pryor (14 years into his career, ETM by decision) Loma doesn't throw nowhere near what Pryor threw in those fights. So he can see what is coming, hard to see when punches are thrown by the dozens for 15 rounds.,..and I'm supposed to believe Loma can go 15, please.

    If we go by the prime ETM, that picture perfect shot that Linares used to drop Loma, lands over & over. Difference is, Linares tears like tissue, ETM is mas macho!
    ETM is skilled.
    ETM uses his 5'10 to his advantage, never fought small His 3 inch height advantage & 7 inch reach works to his favor.
    His early losses, IMO was result of a kid with maybe 60 amateur fights in a so-so amateur program, he learned on the job. From 68-74 I think he reached his prime. Rafael Limon, Bobby Chacon, Rueben Castillo, Luis Ramirez, a young undefeated Mancini, this dude had to have several gears to beat fighters with a great contrast of styles.

    Arguello all day any day every-which-away. Maybe in a few years I'll reconsider.
     
  4. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Had great convo with Pryor as well, took a couple of Hawk Time posing-picture with him! What crushes me is that I had the chance to meet Arguello. At the BBQ at the IBHOF, I'm blown away, as he is talking with someone, but kept looking in my direction, like "my brother!"
    But I was escorting Lou Duva out of those mobile golf carts, by the time I got him inside, Alexis was gone. Then he passed that same year.


    I hear you on your take, but because I am NOW the fan of Arguello that you were...I got ETM! ETM! Loma is bad, but F that I'm being biased!!!:D
     
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  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    happy to see you pick up the mantle, carry it proudly, he was a 1 of a kind.
    i started talking with aaron with the intention of bringing up the water bottle, just to scratch that itch, but he was so cool it completely disarmed me.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

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    Alexis Arguello was one of my favorites as well, a great champion, a true gentleman, and a true man. A great example how an athlete should be. Great post and video.
     
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  7. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great fighter, but too academic to beat Loma i think. To have a chance against boxers like Loma or Mayweather you need freaks like Maidana or Pac.
     
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    maidana dont belong anywhere in such conversation... and floyd was beat by jose luis castillo, no freak. look it up.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Couldn't move well enough? Loma fights coming forward
     
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  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you understand boxing. alexis also is a master at keeping you in front of him, his canons are always pointed at you, even when you step off the line to his sides, he pivots effortlessly while keeping you in range and ready to fire.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    These fights could be brutal, something like Pacquiao-Marquez stylistically.

    I think that Arguello stops him, Linares caught Loma flush with Arguello's best punch, and as well all know Linares scored a KD.
    Arguello would land this punch almost at will and would start to give Loma something to think about. After 10/11 rounds of taking those rights to the chin I can see one landing perfectly and putting Loma down for 10.

    Not to say this would be easy for Arguello, he'd be getting hit a lot and would probably be hurt as well, Loma is an underrated puncher with all sorts of strange angles, feints and tricks up his sleeve.

    Loma's aggression and workrate would win most of the rounds but Arguello times him and hurts him repeatedly before stopping him late.

    Both would be eachother's best win by quite a distance though.

    Arguello KO11
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    Arguello is the best fighter I've ever seen at counter punching without fighting off the back foot, he was also super accurate and would catch Loma
     
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  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    yes, he only backed up defensively when he knew you were about to rush him with a combination, and he did it to time a punch right in between that combination. most of the time, he just slipped, blocked, and parried your punches and droped a bomb on you while youre still swinging. he is like chavez sr in that regard, they felt most comfortable right in the middle of the fire.
     
  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Arguello KOs him whilst probably being down on the scores.

    People talking about Lomas footwork, but he fight completely offensive with pressure, turns the angle and volume punches. Very soviet. When has Loma ever fought defensively (which Arguello had more trouble with e.g. against Marcel)?
     
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  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Exactly. When has Loma ever fought defensively? He has typical great offensive soviet style footwork, changing the angle, coming forward and returning to center ring, minimising inside engagement. Returning with volume. People her seem to have misconceptions about How Loma would box against ATGs.

    His aggression would get him timed as he does not have the firepower to deter anything Arguello does.

    In fact, Loma does much better against slick boxing types in fantasy match ups. For example, we recently had Loma vs Famechon in classic, where I picked Loma.