Vasiliy Lomachenko Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. @ Lightweight — Who Wins?

If you would add Tank's last 5 PPV events and compare them against Ginger's last 5 PPV events, I'm sure you'd see who the bigger draw is. There's a reason why Ginger is guaranteed $35 million to fight the likes of Munguia. How much do you think Tank was guaranteed to fight Martin? How much do you think Tank is guaranteed to fight Roach??? I'm almost certain Tank's guarantee to fight Martin was only 2 million.

Like it or not, Ginger is a bigger draw than Tank and his guarantees are significantly bigger than Tank's. That's not an opinion, mind you.

 

Make no mistake about it, those 1.2 million PPV sales were a combination of Ryan and Tank, not just Tank. 95% of Ginger's last 5 PPV numbers are due to him alone.

 

Tank does not fight on guarantees.

 

The winner of Tank vs Martin was guaranteed 2 million dollars plus PPV % after a certain number. All marquee fighters fight for a guarantee plus % of sales.

The reason Ginger's guarantee is so high is because his fights are expected to do well. there's a reason why PBC gave Ginger a 3 fight $100 million deal and not Tank and it isn't because Ginger is better looking or a nicer chap than Tank.

If you think Tank doesn't demand a guarantee, you are not well informed. He gets a guarantee and I guarantee that it isn't close to Ginger's guarantee.

 

PBC model they have started betting on themselves.

 

Not sure how this relates to how much or how little Tank's fight guarantees are, but ok....

 

Loma was beaten fairly by Lopez and Salido could you imagine what Prime Floyd losing to any of these fighters.?

 

Honestly Floyd would abuse Loma worse than he did to the late great Diego Corrales.

 

Haneys defense being crap makes it all the worse that Loma couldn't dominate him like Garcia

In this universe most definitely. People are acting like the fight wasn't close even if Loma deserved the nod.

Let me put this in perspective for you. Haney went life and death with little Jojo Diaz and barely handled the pressure. Loma should be levels above Diaz in every single facet known in boxing. Size had less of a play here than you think, espescially when Haney is one of the most pillowfisted fighters today. Haney uses his size almost purely for length, he wasn't manhandling chenko in the clinches or framing him off like Lopez

 

If Haney's defensive is "crap," which you've finally conceded (after I called you out on it, of course) than he's most certainly not "slick."

And if Haney's not "slick," then you've effectively undercut your original point about Loma struggling with "slick" fighters.

Glad we could clear that up.

Finally, length is often an element of size, my guy, and again--by your own admission--Haney utilized that length in the Loma bout.

That was my central argument-- Haney's size( ie his length, reach etc) not his supposed "slickness"-- affected Loma.

 

He's not that slick no, Garcia exposed him and yet he still made Loma miss more punches than anyone prior, and he beat him too. So how does this help your argument ? Haney barely beat Jojo Diaz and he's featherfisted if all he did was use his reach and footspeed advantage what does this say about Loma ? Loma is supposed to be the high volume pressure fighter

 

Due to his physical dimensions (he's short with short arms), Loma has struggled with the length and reach of younger, athletic fighters. That's not an excuse; it simply is what it is.

See the Ortiz fight, for example. Loma only landed about 30% of his punches in that fight as well, in part for the very same reason he had a trouble at times against Haney.

The fact that Loma is an educated pressure fighter only exacerbates that shortcoming. Indeed, because of his style, he's obliged to initiate the action and bring the fight to the other guy. A similarly sized counterpuncher would have the luxury of letting the bigger, longer guy come to him.

Again, I did not dispute the low accuracy rate; I disputed your original notion that it was somehow the result of Haney's slickness.

You've now conceded as much, so at this point we're just going around in circles.

 

So you're just going to ignore Lomas defense and mastery of angles ? Being obligated to make the fight isn't an excuse that has always been his style. He cuts the ring, overwhelms you with constant movement, blindsides you with angles and breaks you down to the body. When he's pushed back he's out of position to do anything, He missed more pucnhes against Haney vs Ortiz.

Haney barely beat Jojo Diaz, another small aggressive southpaw. Haney has no power

 

What are you even yammering on about??

Haney beat Diaz comfortably. What fight were you watching? The kid won 8-9 rounds by getting off first and using a long sharp jab (exactly the kind of weapon that would trouble a shorter, short armed fighter like Loma) to dictate the pace and terms of the fight. I think you're letting that last round (or was it the 11th??) color your judgment of a bout Haney had in hand.

Loma's defensive mastery has what, exactly, to do with his troubles generating offense against a longer, taller opponent with a very good jab like Haney? That he is a pressure fighter makes it more difficult because longer, athletic guys, particularly if they have a good jab like Haney, can engage him at longer ranges when he's closing the distance or attempting to utilize angles.

Reach matters, my guy, especially if you know how to use it (and Haney does, whatever else you think of him).

Additionally, Loma may have missed more punches against Haney (big shocker....Haney's better than Ortiz), but you're acting as though he was utterly befuddled and shutout, when a majority of observers---myself included-- believe Loma won the fight.

Loma was certainly finding the mark plenty in the later rounds, hurting Haney and registering the two most dominant rounds in the fight.

Or are we going to ignore that???

 

I had Haney winning 7-5, 8-4. That wasn't easy at all, quite a few people were saying Kambosos would wreck him based on that performance. The commentators were glazing Haney to climax

Dictating range with the long jab alone isn't what won Haney the fight or what made Loma miss more, but either way you slice it he's not beating Floyd, as if Floyd stuggles with slick fighters more lol. Not seeing it