Vasquez - Marquez as exciting and close as the fights were...P4P

Calzaghe better not lose more than a round with one round even against 25th p4p-rated Hopkins, like you are adamant he will, or he will fall below these two top 10 p4p rated fighters for me.:bart

 

I have JC as #2 p4p.

Only a loss against Bernard would move him from there for me, as I think the fight is going to be closer than a lot of people expect and rightly so, Hopkins is excellent.

 

Nah, so if Hopkins wins a couple of early rounds. Then Calzaghe takes over and dismantles him and knockes him the **** out he will fall that dramatically? :huh

 

If you have Hopkins in your p4p top 10, but lower down than Calzaghe, a loss for Calzaghe should definitely take JC down a couple of places...since I cannot believe you have Hopkins p4p No. 1.

If you have Hopkins outside your top 10 p4p, a loss for Calzaghe should definitely get Calzaghe out of the top 8 p4p slots.

If you have Hopkins outside your top 15 p4p, a loss for Calzaghe should get him out of the top 10 altogether.

 

(Edited my post in the meantime.:good )

Well...I have Calzaghe at 3/4, Kessler at 11/12 and Hopkins at 24/25 p4p.

Calzaghe lost 4 rounds to Kessler. He is 3/4 and Kessler 11/12.

If he loses 2 rounds to Hopkins, he is 3/4 and Hopkins is 24/25.

if he loses 3 rounds to Hopkins, Calzaghe falls down a place or two and Hopkins climbs up into the Top 20.

If he loses more than 3 rounds to Hopkins, Hopkins was better thatn 24/25 to start with, Calzaghe lower than 3/4 to start with and Kessler - well...a bit lower too, if Calzaghe performs as well as he did against Kessler. (i.e. I overrated Calzaghe and Kessler to start off with and underrated Hopkins)

 

No...how would that follow?

If he stops Hopkins, Calzaghe climbs a place for me to 2/3 p4p...depending on how Pac v. JMM unfolds and Calzaghe's and Hopkins' peformance on the night...Hopkins could then fall a couple of places to bottom Top 30 (about where Bute is now) or even outside the top 30, depending on the same things...

 

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To have a good chance of being p4p no.1, I need Calzaghe to lacy or to stop a Dawson who has proved his chin is very good or better (Bika level chin). If he did that and PBF didn't beat Cotto convincingly yet, Calzaghe'd be p4p No. 1 for me.

 

1 floyd mayweather
2 manny pacquiao
3 joe calzaghe
4 miguel cotto
5 juan manuel marquez
6 kelly pavlik
7 bernard hopkins
8 israel vazquez
9 juan diaz
10 wladimir klitschko
11 rafael marquez

 

How? Neither are as skilled as he is, as seen from their total lack of defence.

When your whole P4P system is based on how good someone is at their weight, it just shows your hate and dismissal of Joe over nonsense to even suggest this.

 

Floyd did **** in 2007. Lost 4-5 rounds against a past it DLH, who's about as past it as Hopkins is now to be in fact, then took 10 rounds to dispose of Hatton.

Calzaghe defeated Kessler clearly, you have no case here. If he Lacy's Hopkins and blows him out, that'd be 2 wins superior to anything Floyd's done in the past 3-4 years. The winner of Marquez-Pac 2 is going to have more claim to P4P no. 1 because Floyd simply will not fight anybody, he is fighting DLH again, wasting this entire year. Floyd is the definition of a cherry picking fighter, yet he's got more regard to you than Joe?

Yet you still have your **** backwards, back to PoW's thread.

 

While skillwise I think they are a long way above Calzaghe, I do my P4P list on recent acomplishments and have to factor defeats into that. I'll keep them both in my top 10 just under Calzaghe.

 

Marquez has a better offensive arsenal, but lacks Joe's defence and movement, Joe's also a better in fighter.

Vasquez makes up for his lesser skill to Marquez by his toughness, heart and will, as well as KO power. To suggest that he is more skilled than Calzaghe is ridiculous, look at his face after 3 fights. I'd say he's more skilled than Castillo-Corrales level guys though, adding to why Israel-Rafael 3 is a better fight than Castillo-Corrales.

Neither are as all around good as Calzaghe is, if they were, the fights wouldn't have been as entertaining. Their lack of defence, combined with great offensive arsenal's made for the best kind of war, but the kind of war that all around skillful technitions just don't get into 3 times in a row.