Vasyl Lomachenko the Best Greek fighter of all time?

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Modern Greece is the same Hellenic core of antiquity, very few modern identities corresponds with their original historic core. Greece core centered around Athens is still the core of Modern Greece. No nation in Europe has lineal historic continuity that goes as far as Greece, Greeks kept the language, identity. Despite the various invasions, under Ottoman occupation the Greek mainland & the Greek black Sea Enclaves were double taxed in return for preserving the Greek identity.

    Athens of 500 BC is still Athens of 2000 AD, very few places on Earth can claim this.

    There are 2000 years of historic account of Greeks, as far as we know Greeks are the first people to teach us about the Proto-Slavic tribes dwelling in whats today Poland & Slovakia. The Greek language & self-awareness was never interrupted for 2500 years of literature. Which is a rare case in human history

    Greeks left a great legacy, literally civilizing Europe, inventing the Olympics, every "logy" & they gave boxing Vasyl Lomachenko who was born in the historically Greek region of modern Ukraine, what is there to hate about that?
     
  2. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    At this point I refuse to believe you're serious, this is just some horrible trolling here.

    Greece was founded in 1821. It didn't exist before that. The (city-)states in antiquity had a completely different foundation and different identity and there is absolutely no continuity whatsoever. The modern Greeks are the former servants of the Ottoman empire who constructed their Greek identity in the 19th century via western liberal influence and via romantic nationalism. There was no Greek national identity before the 19th century, you can't translate some concepts from antiquity to modern age and there is no continuity since that culture was forgotten and smashed by Orthodox Christianity and later by Ottoman Islam. The self-awareness of Greek people before the 19th century nationalism was that of being Christian Ottomans.

    Athens were a small village in the 19th century. Here is Athens in 1810:
    http://www.eie.gr/archaeologia/Gr/layout/images/09/zoom/LEO01.jpg

    If Greeks were so civilized and advanced as you claim why is their economy total **** and why is their country totally irrelevant? Now you're starting to claim Slavic boxers as your own, what a shame.

    This is just like African supremacists with their "we wuz kings n shiet". This is the Greek version "we wuz Spartans n shiet"
     
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  3. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Athens was Greek from the end of the Neolithic to present times. When Greeks fell under pressure of Latin linguistic/political expansion it stopped in the Jireček Line which is roughly the modern Greek border & the Latins are Romanians/Vlach/Moldovia. That was the old border that remained in tact till this day, the Byzantine empire eventually fell to the Ottomans, but the Greeks paid double Taxes to remain Greek & declared "political" independence when it was suitable.

    Political independence meant little to Greeks, because they always been city states & maintained the same deal they always maintained with any dominant power (Greek or Foreign)

    As you mentioned Greeks fell into political weakness in the Ottoman era, which only proves that those who are still Greeks are genuine Greeks. Why would a peasant change his language & religion just to get double taxed & discriminated against. The norm is that crushed peasants 99% of humans, change their language & adopt the new dominant identity of the Elite class. Hence the uniqueness of the modern 10 Million of lineal Greeks.

    Most historic identities that claim wholesome lineal association with historic populations are weak & at best it only applies to a smaller segment of the population. With Greeks, you can safely conclude that there was no more advantage of being Greek in the late Byzantine days (The Byzantine empire core also fell back into Greece) showing that Greeks were the core population of Byzantine empire when the imperial privileges were gone. Assimilation into the Greek population in the Ottoman era by Non-Greeks would have been illogical
     
  4. sparta

    sparta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol you have obviously never met a true greek then, dont worry bout the greeks in greece, they are mixed and come from all over the place, a true greek (Hellene) with real greek ancestry will take your soul in a fight.

    Be careful what kind of greek you call a ***** haha
     
  5. sparta

    sparta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats true, my grandad has blonde hair and blue eyes, so does my brother. Ive got redish hair & freckles, work that one out lol
     
  6. sparta

    sparta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    dude you talking ****, the true people of greece have never associated themselves as being Christian ottomans, the true greek identity was as a Hellenes and never a CHRISTIAN OTTOMAN lol

    The greeks were the most advanced of their time, what goes up must come down like all civilizations. You dksag
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's not just Loma that's Greek, Usyk, Gvozdyk, and Derevyanchenko are too. That's what the prophetic song 'The Four Horsemen' by the late 60s/early 70s Greek band Aphrodite's Child is about.

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  8. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    heracles, hercules is roman.
     
  9. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lmao, soccer the sport where the fans are infinitely tougher than the "athletes".
     
  10. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I honestly did not know this. i thought some darkening of the feature must have occurred over time but had no idea it was th that extent. This may be a bit of a tangent but to me modern Greeks look a lot like Georgians.
     
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  11. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    didn;t he dye his hair?
     
  12. Giacomino

    Giacomino Member Full Member

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    Lomachenko is Ukrainian.

    Are there really no good Greek boxers?
     
  13. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    And what is the Donegal connection?
     
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  14. elmerbud

    elmerbud Member Full Member

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    From census data: In 2001 in Odessa region were more than 133 nationalities and only 0.1% of Greeks! Loma is one from 62,8% ukrainian, 20,7% russian, 6,1% bulgarian, 5% moldavian, 1,1% gagauz, 0,6% jew and others.
     
  15. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    I think it might be the other way round. The northerners have been called barbarians and savages by Greeks and Romans for thousands of years. Nordic animosity towards Greeks on that part would be natural, yet one cannot escape the influence of Greco-Roman culture no matter what.

    Of course, this is just a theoretical assumption. :)
     
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