Vasyl Lomachenko - The Best Opposition Ratio of all time

yeh but you need to compare like for like, to increase the validity of your comparison results. You cant make a ratio of apples to oranges, what does that prove?

 

Linares
Rigo
Walter's
GRJ
Sosa
Marriaga
Martinez
Salido

Etc

12 fights. 3 divisions. Incredible! Unmatched.

I would like to know the win/loss ratio of all of chenkos 12 opponents combined! I bet its an incredible stat for a 12 pro fight's fighter.

 

He's the best right now. Its not Crawford & GGG is ageing. Look at his opposition & then factor in that one of the top 3 claimants [TC] is fighting 4/5 divisions below what he walks around at! Did 30 yr old prime FMJ or MP walk around at 30/35 lbs above there fighting weight? You boil down a bit sure (all do, that's just a result of training) but after that u generally go UP the weights right? Not DOWN! Right? Unless you're Oscar & it's ABBA night at the blue oyster!

It's like Loma fighting Minimum weights or Flyweights! Isn't it? & i can't see GGG walking round at 195lbs between fights either! Can you?

We've seen TC's ilk before! Many times! Lomas movement, angles & footwork is unique! Its ballet like! I havent seen another Loma! Nor does Crawford make fighter after fighter quit! Nor has anyone done in 12 fights what VL has! Ever!

Sowwey...

 

Nice trivia but it really doesn't amount to much.

 

What a bizarre and illogical argument. You’re claiming he fought terrible opposition until he was 25, and then stepped up to world level? How did he hone his skills to be dominant from the start of his pro career? Doesn’t he deserve even more credit for his record if his competition in the amateurs was so weak?
Anybody who knows anything about boxing knows that winning an Olympic gold medal is a tougher and better achievement than winning a title in the pro game. To win two golds, and with that record? There’s plenty of career amateurs with a comparable number of fights who are nowhere near that number in terms of wins-loss. If you think boxing at the amateur world level is less than the pro world level you clearly don’t know anything about the sport.

 

Do you know what median is? I have no idea how you calculated these numbers but they are certainly not the median of anything.

 

It reminds me of when they allowed pros to box at the Olympics. There was a good deal of protest because people thought these high level pros were going to murder a bunch of young, novice boxers.

The pros all got their asses handed to them. If I'm not mistaken, not a single one of the handful that took the chance medaled.

 

I'm not going to comment on Loma as pretty much everybody already know that how good he is.

However, his unparalled 'opposition ratio' is a result his unique path of professional career. Unlike the other boxers, he fast-tracked his way to championship, skipping all the pro career usual "beginners' fights" as part of learning process. Floyd Mayweather Jr., for example, fought several guys who have tons of losses that far exceeds their number of wins in his early pro fights.

Loma, on the other hand, mostly have opponents who have winning percentage more than 70% of their total fights. Surprisingly, the one with the lowest winning percentage among all opponents Loma ever fought is Orlando Salido, who actually has 14 pro fight losses in his career (lol !). Other names contributed very well to Loma's opposition ratio due to their high winning percentage, especially the Thai guy, Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo, who have very high number of wins due to his frequent fight time mostly against low rated boxers. He is a good fighter and actually a top Asian level boxer, but chose only to fight nobodies.

I like this ratio. I'm not convinced enough to consider that this ratio is good parameter to determine how well the boxers have been doing or their placing in the boxing hall of fame. But as a catalyst to see the average level of competition a boxer has faced during his career, not bad at all.

 

Still boggles my mind how boxing fans would rather dwell over such stats, instead of actual resumes.
It should come down to how many top 10 opponents one has faced.

Yea, Salido has 14 losses. But look at who beat him.

 

You are not wrong about it. But you are not exactly correct either. Statistic can be fun. And in some ways it can give us another perspective to view the sport. Maybe the ratio formula that Eltirado tested is not perfect, but who cares, it's fun for him and some people. Maybe that's how we nerds view boxing, lol

Salido has 7 defeats against elite fighters and 7 others against cannon fodders. He lost his first one on TKO and lost the rematch against journeyman who never fight more than 8-rounds. Guess the guy has a rough pro career start.

 

They didn't send Manny Pacquiao.

 

Despite him not being on this level, Lipinets ratio must be quite high.

The records of the guys he's faced is impressive.

....Actually on further inspection, he has 3 fights that kinda mess it up!