Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Sugar Ray Robinson, who takes it?

Basilio would have hung with Mike, Fullmer would have taken his shots better than he took Robi`s, LaMotta would have hung with McCallum, these guys would have destroyed Loma and the only reason I`m mentioning all three is because Basilio fought at welter and would be an almost credible opponent for the smaller Loma,he`s too small, you make it sound as if Robi was fighting in slow motion or something, the only reason you might think that is that Robi was carrying more weight than Loma which might make him slower, but Loma might have been slower carrying 147lbs, he might even be slower than Ray carrying that weight and no way could he fight as quick as Ray at 160lbs, his body would be thick as hell like Duran`s was.

 

Right, so you think that Manny would have hammered Ray Robinson, but you can't give me a simple breakdown as to how?

Loma is a wonderful fighter.

He's a joy to watch.

I wish he'd have turned pro much earlier. I don't think we're going to see him that much. I agree that technically, he's better than most fighters of Ray's era. And if you don't rate Ray's opposition that much, that's fine. But in this thread, we're specifically looking at Loma vs Ray.

If you were to look at the footage of Ray, bearing in mind that most of it is when past his absolute peak, you'll see an incredible fighter. A fighter with perfect balance, perfect timing, deadly accuracy, blazing hand speed, a great variation of punches, and ruthless finishing with great power. To deny that would be ridiculous. Now add to the fact that he was also 5'10, with a 72" reach, and Loma would have been in huge trouble.

As great as Loma is, he'd be giving up 4-5 inches in height, 7-8 inches reach, and he'd be facing a guy who was stronger than he was, and who possessed proven one punch knockout power in either hand.

Yet despite the above, you'd want to make Loma a clear favourite, primarily based on the fact that you don't rate Ray's era, and your brain can't comprehend how a fighter from the 50's could beat a modern day fighter.

That's what it comes down to.

You're a very ignorant man.

Go away and analyse the styles and size etc of each guy, and have a serious think about they'd have matched up stylistically.

It doesn't matter if you think today's era is better than the 50's as a whole, you should specifically be focused on the 2 fighters in question. That's all that matters. That's how you form an opinion on the possible outcome of a fantasy fight.

In some of your previous posts, you've also laughed at the fact that Ray lost 19 bouts. Yet you won't take into account that he had 200 fights.

Loma is now 31, yet he's only had 14 fights.

None of your posts ever allow for context.

It may not even have been physically possible for Loma to have had that amount of fights. We don't know.


Now either address the points that I've made or don't waste any more of time.

 

He was barely carrying more weight than Loma, it was same day weigh ins back then. Robinson looks slow and so does everyone else. The main point is the massive gulf in skills. It may as well have been a different sport back then, it was basically rock em sock em robots.
You’re not making any points here btw, you’re just saying this would happen or that would happen.

 

lmao! at least floyd and pacs huggers understood boxing.
those movie cameras from the 40s and 50s ran on clockwork motors, they were of varying quality, so recorded movement differently between models. then the movement can be affected by the speed of the player. then that gets transferred to digital, which is the speed and quality that you see on YT. but this is the basis for the argument coming from the "smarter than you" clowns. LMMFAO!!!

 

You’re not making any points, that’s the problem. A fighter is balanced and technical, great. I guess that was a bit of an anomaly in SRR’ era. Not today.
I don’t know why you’re focused on dimensions so much, that really doesn’t mean much when you’re talking about different levels. Loma has beat guys bigger than SRR in the amateurs. Guys who would look better than SRR if they could go back in time and face the plodders SRR was against.
Part of the reason why fighters were so poor back then is because of how often they fought. Everybody involved in sport can tell you the importance of periodisation and peaking for competition. Fighters back then were so slow and sluggish because they were never in great condition, they would run all day and fight every other week. That’s why they’re clearly atrocious athletes.
If you lose 19 times against your contemporaries then maybe you’re not that amazing.
Let’s talk about context, exactly.

 

So you’re admitting it’s not an accurate representation, therefore it is 100% on faith for us to claim that SRR and his contemporaries were something special? Great, my point is proved. See, jail rats can be made useful in society, don’t let anyone tell you differently friend.

 

Exactly.

The man looks absolutely awesome.

I'm a big fan. But there's still a lot of unanswered questions.

At the end of the day, despite having a great amateur career, the guys only had 14 pro fights.

 

another lie, weve yet to find a use for you here, lol.

 

Man, I want to see what your eyes are looking at. Because everyone but you can see that Ray was an absolutely awesome fighter.

Can you not see the speed, power and technique etc?

What footage are you looking at?

 

How did Loma beat guys that were bigger than a 5'11 middleweight in the amateurs, what weight class were these fights at? These guys would have had nowhere near the power of Ray either, the average middleweight couldn`t punch as hard as Ray.

 

What about Ray`s combo punches?

 

On what planet does Ray look slow?

How can we debate with you when you type nonsense like that?

 

My god, I pray that I'm being trolled.

I honestly feel sorry for you.

I'm serious man.

I actually pity anyone that's so ignorant.

Loma beat bigger fighters than Ray in the amateurs?

Great.

How would that translate to fighting Ray across 12-15 rounds?

You clearly have ZERO knowledge of Ray's era, as there were some very fine technical fighters back then, and from eras earlier than when Ray fought.

If you lose 19 times against your contemporaries maybe you're not that amazing?

To be honest, after typing that, you don't even deserve any of our time.

Most of those loses came at the end of his career.

19 losses in a 45 fight career might mean something.

19 losses in a 200 fight career mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The guy you're creaming your pants over has only had FOURTEEN PRO FIGHTS, genius.

Do you seriously think that he could retire with a zero if he fought 200 times??

You deserve an absolute slapping from stinking out the thread with your ignorance.

 

This.

I have read people say boxing has 'evolved' and if we are talking physical conditioning, then this is true. But the skills? People claim these have 'evolved' but no-one, as yet, has explained exactly how. And I don't mean 'well it's obvious, all sport has evolved', I mean actual evidence.

Okay, think I've dealt_with that topic now....

PS: It's still a troll thread to try beat down on Loma. People should learn to enjoy this sport more, and celebrate greatness when witnessed

 

He's seen Robinson and continues to call him a bar room brawler. That means that he doesn't know what he's seeing. He's seen Robinson's record and continues to call it trash. That means he doesn't understand what he's reading. He's been told ad nauseam why his opinions are awful but he doesn't change them. That means he's stupid. He has ideas about things which are unrelated to the truth, but which make logical sense when divorced from actual evidence, and his belief in these incorrect ideas are strong enough that he cannot be swayed by counter evidence.