Venice Borkhorsor vs Alfonso Zamora (With Footage Of Venice)

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  1. Flea Man

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Jxa7saoco[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvyI4J7MTFw&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5N-gpLfIQc&feature=related[/ame]

    First, revel in the rare footage above. Who'd win between these two extremely dangerous Bantams?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Czt8Ooxu0E[/ame]
     
  2. Flea Man

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    And how would Khaokor Galaxy get on with either of 'em? :yep
     
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    Guess not.

    Anyone got any opinions on Borkhorsor?
     
  5. lora

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    Should have titled it "another generic heavyweight topic ttat's been done 20 times before" Flea.

    That would have gone pages.;)

    I tend to think The Borkhorsor from the Herrera fight would grind out a tough decision or eventual stoppage win, as long as he doesn't get shocked early by Zamora's power.It's a great matchup, but not really one i have a strong opinion on though.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Berkorsor just aint known enough, I really need to get some of the tapes on him.
     
  7. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt Zamora's chin holds up until the later rounds. I'd bet money on Venice taking him out sometime before the 6th. Probably crack him with a straight left down the pike as Zamora is making one of his quick first steps to close the distance (which he actually did quite well, reminiscent of Olivares). After that it'd be all downhill.

    As an aside, great upload. It's good to see this one get to Youtube.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Greg made a good comparison between Zamora and Cuevas yesterday; I feel that Zamora is less wild however (in his punching technique; his uppercuts in particular were thrown very well), and faster. Both with immense power as long as they connected. IMO, Zamora is probably the hardest pure puncher in the divisions history.

    And yes Lora, I feel if I had put Tony Ayala in the thread title this would probably be stickied by now :lol:

    :good Cheers lads, as always. I'm very intrigued by Borkhhorsor.

    Either man vs Khaokor?
     
  9. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd love to see more of him, looks like a real handful for anyone. I think he must of been at about his peak here, Herrera took a terrible hiding and looks lucky to keep his titles from what there is to see of the fight. With impressive wins over Betulio Gonzalez and Erbito Salavarria it's a shame he's not remembered more.
    From what I've read about the Rodolfo Martinez fight he was giving him the same problems from his southpaw stance. Martinez though solved the problem by turning lefty himself.
    Interestingly I was just looking over his record and noticed he lost his next fight to one Saul Montana. Check this fellas record out, some quality in there
    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=32611&cat=boxer

    Have to reserve judgement on how he'd go against Galaxy but I'm sure it would have been a war.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is a write-up on the Herrera-Borkorsor fight. I hae long been an admirer of Borkorsor. Truly feel he is one of the most underrated Flys of all time. I really loved his left hand counters in this fight. Whether it was a hook, cross or uppercut, he zeroed in on Herrera who was really having a problem with the southpaw stance. Wish they would have shown the knockdown. Noticed a couple of rounds missing. As for a Zamora-Borkorsor fight, as Jorge Lujan showed, a good counter-puncher can handle Zamora, provided you have a decent set of whiskers to handle the early barrage. I thinkBorkorsor proves his jaw and countering skills as well as his punch. I feel he would stop Zamora around the 9th or 10th. A fight with Galaxy too would be a great fight. Still, I would lean towards Borkorsor, who could box, punch, counter, defend and take. He was at a disadvantage at 118 with the size of these bantams, but still was an awesome presence. At 112, I feel he is easily a top tenner.

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    1973-10-13 : Rafael Herrera 118lbs beat Venice Borkhorsor 117¾lbs by SD in round 15 of 15
    Location: Forum, Inglewood, California, USA
    Referee: Larry Rozadilla 143-141
    Judge: Rudy Jordan 144-142
    Judge: Chuck Hassett 141-145

    "Mexico's Rafael Herrera retained his WBC bantamweight title Saturday night by scoring a split decision over Thailand's Venice Borkorsor in a punishing 15 round fight at the Forum. Herrera had the shorter Borkorsor on the canvas in the 7th round for the fight's only knockdown. However, at the end, Herrera could barely see from both eyes while Borkorsor, the former WBC flyweight titleholder, was unmarked." -United Press International

    Borkorsor lost a point in the 13th round for a headbutt
    Attendance - 12,200
    Gate - $121,400

    Unofficial scorecards

    UPI - 143-141 Borkorsor
    AP - 143-141 Borkorsor
    Pasadena Star-News - 145-141 Borkorsor
    Post fight comments

    "It was a dirty fight. Borkorsor started butting me about the 2nd round on. I will give him credit, though, he hits very hard." -Rafael Herrera
    "It was a very good fight, but I feel it was a bad decision." -Venice Borkorsor
    "There is no chance he can fight Romeo Anaya this year. Maybe in January or February." -Cuco Cuate, Herrera's manager, when asked if Herrera would be ready (healed) to unify the title before the end of the year.
    "The split decision win for Herrera, who fought the last five rounds almost totally blind, was almost as absurd as the reluctance on the part of Referee Larry Rozadilla to take points away from the Thai fighter for continually head-butting Herrera." -Craig Doolittle, of the Pasadena Star-News.
    Retrieved from "http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rafael_Herrera_vs._Venice_Borkhorsor"
     
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  11. Flea Man

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    Nice posts all round lads :good :good :good
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When talking about Borkorsor, there is one fight of his that always puzzled me, only because I know absolutely nothing about it. He gets his title shot at Betulio Gonzalez at 112 after beating #1 contender Fernando Cabanela. I saw Cabanela fight a couple of times and he was good. Tall and rangy. I recall one old west coast scribe who was watching Cabanela in the gym, refer to him as a 112 lb. version of Tony Canzoneri. He was that impressed. Anyways, with all the knowledge at our disposal, has anyone seen a write-up on Borkorsor-Cabanela? I'd love to know how it unfolded.

    Scartissue
     
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  13. AlFrancis

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    Flamengo. Can you give us any info on Paul Ferreri's fight with Borkorsor? Better still, ask the man himself what he remembers of the fight.
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe I read that Ferreri soundly outpointed him, but in fairness to Borkorsor, he wasn't the same fighter after the Martinez beat down.

    Scartissue