Very Good but not great

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shoji Oguma. Had a couple of series with the greats of his era, and he lost them both. They were competitive rivalries, and he was maybe a bit unfortunate in them, but the true greats don't need luck to win. However, when matched up later in his career with a great(er?) talent, he won that series decisively, and all of the breaks went his way.

    Marvin Johnson's a good call. You'd think a three-time, one-weight champion would be an undisputed great, but he never felt like the top dog and always seemed like he could be beaten.

    Reggie Johnson needed just that one defining win, or that one virtuoso performance to push him safely over the border into greatness.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post.
     
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    I liked Tim but in no way is he great. I thought he had the best chance to beat Tyson with his size and right hand and decent chin, but he didn't beat him.
     
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    I don't know if I would go with very good either. I would have loved to have seen him fight Tim Witherspoon..
     
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    I think Virgil is at that great/very good border.
     
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  9. William Walker

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    Ya, rethinking it I would take that back. I wouldn't rank him with Ali and Louis and those types of fighters, but although Spoon's skills were equal to that of Thomas, Berbick, Dokes, etc., his resume was much more like that of the greats. Very odd situation.
     
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    Miguel Angel Gonzalez was really good.
     
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    It is true. He had a great resume. He lacks that big win he needed. I thought he had a really good chance to beat Tyson had he been in shape in 1987.. I think Don King might have known it, so he told Bonecrusher to jump on Tim.. Rather Carl King told Bonecrusher to jump on him early.
     
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    I think you have the key there. Tim doesn't really have a big win, just a series of good wins over big names, but no stand-outs. Actually, his best performance remains the twelve-round split-decision against Holmes.
     
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    I remember a line used about 50s welterweight Billy Graham that 'he was just about as good a fighter as you can be without being great'. It was part of a really affectionate tribute which recalled Billy - an utter gentleman, by all accounts - getting embarrassed when describing being hit low, as the punch had hit him in 'the olives'.

    Adrien Boner could learn so much if only he wasn't so set on being a complete 'gherkin', as Billy might have said.
     
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