Very Good or Great? Volume 6: Frank Shamrock

Tito was never making frank his *****.

He got takedowns and top control which won him the early rounds. But he wasnt very effective from the top position damage wise.

 

Which is exactly what happened everytime Tito faced someone with a halfway competent guard which is why he's nowhere close to being an ATG.

 

Because reading Arona's resume thinking ''He must be good'' isnt as entertaining as watching Shamrock fight

being an ATG is not just about looking at a wiki page to see who's resume is stronger.

You can argue about it all you want, and say that Frank never did the things he did against top competition. But Arona never did them at all, he just layed there in top control. Waiting for the clock to run down, looking busy with a few strikes.

It's how you do it that counts as well

For the record, I think Arona could beat Frank h2h

 

A split decision against Hendo who in 2002 should be no where near 205lbs, and Sakuraba after he'd been in with Igor, Wandy x 3 and Cro Cop and was literally being held together with tape and knee bandages

And Wanderlei was always in trouble whilst on his back.

 

On paper they are. You are missing the point

 

The reason I voted great was more to do with Frank being before his time really in MMA he was one of the fighters that successfully added more than one base to his game and had a lot of success from it picking up multiple titles. His record isn't deep in the slightest but he paved the way for fighters who are basically the jack of all trades like Franklin or Griffin.

 

Ok, you can strike Sakuraba off that list for as start because he was shot to ****

I suspect you havent actually seen the Hendo fight as if you had you would have seen the only one who came to fight was Hendo, he did more damage when he swept and gained top control for a minute or two than Arona did in the three rounds combined.Basically it was Arona being Arona, pinning a WW to the matt is not as impressive as beating Bas imo

Ahh what's the point, I guess being the better MMA fighter has nothing to do with it :dead

 

As I said earlier in this I'm not to sure what we are saying is "Great" here. For his time Frank was most definitely a great but down to how he and many other fighters have developed the sport he would get run over easily. Today MMA is a completely different sport to what it was when Frank first started out. It's like pulling out Royce today he would get beaten easily as well imo but for his time he was a great and to me he still is a great. Both their records are similar some noticeable names but not really anything compared to these days standards.

I just find comparing fighters from back then to fighters today hard because really they were two different sports in the cage.