VHB Middleweight rankings, February 2009

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  1. VHB

    VHB Active Member Full Member

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    1. Arthur abraham

    2. Kelly pavlik

    3. Felix sturm

    4. Anthony mundine

    5. Khoren gevor

    6. Randy griffin

    7. Sebastian sylvester

    8. Amin asikainen

    9. Javier castillejo

    10. Roman karmazin

    11. Dmitry pirog

    12. Mariano natalio carrera

    13. John duddy

    14. Marco antonio rubio

    15. Mahir oral

    16. David lopez

    17. Daniel geale

    18. Peter quillen

    19. Sebastian zbik

    20. Wayne elcock
     
    VHB, Feb 24, 2009
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  2. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    I guess you have a hard time recognizing who the middleweight champion is.
     
    Fedor Em, Feb 24, 2009
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  3. VHB

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    Your time is hardest of all, if you think it´s Pavlik. HAH HAH.
     
    VHB, Feb 25, 2009
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  4. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As an AA fan, I feel like until he beats Pavlik, which I think he is capable of, he is still the 2nd best middle in the world. Pavlik beat THE man!
     
    Landshark, Feb 25, 2009
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  5. skateolive

    skateolive New Member Full Member

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    What if Top Rank refuses to put Pavlik against Abraham as seems to be the case right now? At some point Abraham must pass Pavlik in the rankings if he is not man enough to face the only real challenge he has at middleweight. There is no other fights to be made in the division and its a joke that Arum is avoiding it.
     
    skateolive, Feb 25, 2009
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  6. SteelTownCobra

    SteelTownCobra Guest


    hah hahah

    hahahah hahahahahah

    hah
     
    SteelTownCobra, Feb 25, 2009
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  7. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting list,vhb!

    Duddy at 13? Hm! Where is Golovkin?

    I have no problem with Pirog at 11,but he would probably beat the better ranked Griffin,Asaikinen, and Castilljejo even at this early stage of his career.
     
    Odo, Feb 25, 2009
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  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Say Wright/Williams have a close fight, with either victorious, where would you place them?

    I like Gevor at 5, I think he is particularly underrated.

    Towards the end I'm not sure how you'd justify some of those guys over a special looking prospect like Golovkin. It's not as if they have done more, and they are certainly not as impressive.
     
    TFFP, Feb 25, 2009
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  9. VHB

    VHB Active Member Full Member

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    Gennady Golovkin, Elvin Ayala and Domenico Spada are fighters that MIGHT belong in top20, but I was too shy to place them.

    Wright and Williams, the winner of their fight, I would place right after the world champs, #4.

    Depending on the margin, the loser could end up #6 after Mundine then.

    Duddy I gave credit because he is undefeated and has faced more known names than guys below him. I´m not sure how well those young european guns could handle Campas or Eastman. Those are the sort of fighters who do expose limited talents like Spada.

    Pirog you can´t rank ahead of recent EBU and World Champs like Asikainen and Castillejo. Asikainen-Gevor was a close fight for most of the time. Castillejo got destroyed by Sylvester, but he has proved himself for numerous times.
     
    VHB, Feb 26, 2009
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  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Any list that has AA at #1 is plain foolishness. Abraham holds a title that Taylor VACATED. Pavlik beat Taylor twice. Arthur has rarely been in the same room with a fighter of that quality, let alone the same ring. Judging by his resume', and Sauerland's insistence on pricing AA out of a Pavlik fight, I doubt if he'll ever fight a world class opponent.
     
    booradley, Feb 26, 2009
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  11. imp4pdabest

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    This thread must have been ade by someone from Germany. No way in hell is AA ahead of Pavlik.
     
    imp4pdabest, Feb 26, 2009
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  12. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    castillejo is still a top 10 fighter? that shows the lack of depth in the division
     
    asero, Feb 26, 2009
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  13. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    No, it's made by a Finn...IMO Pavlik is still no.1...
     
    Tom_Tocca, Feb 26, 2009
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  14. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    Pavlik beat Taylor who beat Hopkins who was undisputed...

    Arthur won the vacant title against Kingsley Ikeke and has made only 2 defenses worthy of being called a "World title fight" and both of them were against Edison Miranda...

    Pavlik is the champ.
     
    Lee Mc, Feb 26, 2009
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  15. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are certainly right inasmuch as Castillejo and Asikainen should be placed ahead of Pirog - based on achievements,but based on future potential,talent,and present ability- I for one would rank him ahead on aforementioned fighters.

    On the other hand Duddy's present fight record isnt that much better than Golovkin's one,and there is no doubt who of this pair is the more promising middle weight.
     
    Odo, Feb 26, 2009
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