Vic Darchinyan now an undisputed champion?

No one is saying that isn't the case. However, it's useless to point out Mayweather vs. Baldomir as a justification for Mosley vs. Margo being for the Ring title.

 

That's how I see it, and Vic should be considered undisputed now. :thumbsup

 

Montiel. Just because he vacated his title doesn't mean he doesn't have a claim to be recognised as champion anymore. If he vacated his belt in order not to defend it/unify it against Darchinyan, now that would be a different story.

 

He vacated it to move to a different weightclass though; it wasn't a case of Montiel dropping it because of politics while still staying at the same weight he had the claim at.

 

What is the most interesting is that when Montiel officially vacates, Darchinyan will be the only champ in the division and Mijares will be ranked no2 by The Ring. To pick up The Ring belt, no1 has to beat no2 (sometimes no3). So... Vic will have to beat Mijares AGAIN to pick up the belt?

I think they should give the title to the winner of Saturday. It's against the rules, but facing Mijares 2 times for the belt is pretty stupid, isn't it?

 

Calzaghe doesn't fight at supermiddleweight, so he is not the best supermiddleweight in the world anymore? Pacquiao currently competes at light welter. Does that mean he doesn't have a claim to be the best lightweight in the world anymore? I could go on, but you get the idea, I hope. The fact that Montiel went up has nothing to do with it. As long as he can still make weight at super fly, he's in with a claim. Everything else amounts to conventional technicalities.

 

Wrong. Same goes with Pavlik (who fought Hopkins at a higher weight) and with Hatton (who fought Mayweather Jr. at a higher weight). They didn't stop being (the) top fighters in their division just because they went up a division (and lost).

 

In those situations, it was assumed they were going back down in weight as they didn't even vacate their titles. Montiel has vacated his title, and is leaving the division for good.

 

As I said, convention - if he goes up (for good) it means he couldn't fight at that weight anymore so he couldn't be a contender for the number one spot anymore - and technicality - since he doesn't compete at that weight anymore, he's no longer in contention at that weight. As I said, as long as Montiel could for all practical purposes still make weight at super fly (can he not?), he'd still have a claim to be the man at the weight, making Darchinyan a champion, but not the undisputed champion. "The (Undisputed) Champion" is not a prize or title that you win in boxing; it's a label that says you are the best, the man. When Mayweather was refusing to fight Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc., he was still considered the man by most people, but he wasn't "undisputed". Even retired, he's still considered the best welter-weight around. Just because he's no longer willing to fight doesn't mean he's no longer the best. He's not the best ACTIVE welter, but many still think he's the best. Anyway, sterile and boring debate. The real question is: is Darchinyan currently a better super fly than Montiel? Answers based on conventional technicalities aren't helpful in determining this. If Montiel said he could no longer make weight at superfly for all intents and purposes, that would settle the matter, of course. But just because he's decided to fight at a higher weight doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't fight at super fly successfully anymore. Perhaps I'm out of the loop and you know something I don't, though, of course.

 

That settles it then. Darchinyan is undisputed. What a waste of a good hour or so this debate has been. I apologize.