Victor Conte:”What Billy Joe Saunders took is ten fold more powerful than what Canelo took”

You can see quite dramatic effects using clen. It works immediately and the effects can be substantial.

To claim you would see very little change is plain wrong.

 

No, it isn't wrong. What effects specifically are you talking about? It does work immediately and it does have a good benefit but to truly get the most out of the drug it needs to be stacked with others which means it isn't even the clen that has the dramatic effects to begin with. On its own Clen has the effects (not the way it goes about doing this but just the results) of a shitty EPO and diuretic.

 

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Oh I missed this post. Okay so, you can't actually assume that one is stronger than the other because of the rules and regulations. The process is very flawed and at times arbitrary AND the science never quite catches up to the drugs themselves. WADA also doesn't exactly try to qualify the drugs as being less effective anyway aside from their quantitative bans vs their qualitative bans so the argument can't support itself in the first place.

We're dealing with different bodies, testing organizations, drugs, agendas, and a science that is always going to be a step behind what's happening. Because of these nuances we often can't use blanket statements like "this drug is worse" and we certainly can't have the organizations stance on the drugs to support our claim.

That being said, I don't really know a lot about Oxilofrine at all and I assume that it is not as effective/ is less common than Clen but that's me speaking from a place of ignorance and using it as a security blanket.

 

Clen on its own still has dramatic effects. Yes when it stacked the effects and much more effective.

But to say taking just clen does very little Is ridiculous.

Taking solely clen enables you to retain muscle mass whilst in a calorie deficit, a HUGE benefit to boxers who have to make weight.

 

The effect isn't actually dramatic ESPECIALLY when compared to other drugs. Also I was taking in account the dosage. That's the most important context for my message.

 

The amount of excuses for cheating on here is ridiculous

 

most top guys are on tho

 

Your incorrect my friend, the effects are substantial and dramatic, however if you do compare them to other drugs they may not be as dramatic.

That doesn’t take away from the fact clenbuterol is a powerful drug especially for the sport of boxing, where you have to get down to certain weights whilst maintaining as much muscle mass as you can.

 

I'm not wrong. You're ignoring the dosage context of my message and also you are ignoring its relativity that I mentioned to other drugs. You're actually just ripping away all context to my post. In the post you quoted in particular I was saying that in small doses (microdosing) it does **** all.

 

Why would anybody microdose clen? Why are you even bringing that up?

 

Yeah, but apparently Canelo's masking agents are ten times as effective because they didn't find all the other **** he was taking.

 

Yep I’ve seen comments on YouTube from bodybuilding guys who all said Clen is the business and a good dose to those not used to it could really **** you up.

 

They wouldn't but some people assumed that since Canelo's numbers were low that somehow meant that is the dosage he used which is what I was explaining (I'm aware that isn't how it works). You're responding to something I said months ago that you're removing all context from.