Victor Conte sides with Pac. Floyds kind of in a corner now

Which means Floyd has the ball in his court and he's deciding to not play. Which only solidifies the arguemnts from SOME....that Floyd never really wanted the fight.

I'm not saying I don't think he NEVER wanted the fight....I'm saying that if he plays this kind of game in the 2nd round of negotiations.....his actions during the initial negotiation process will be highly questionable.

Floyd wants the money...that is not in question....I just think he, at this point respects the challenge Manny poses and he wants to be compensated for the risk and have the USUAL Mental edge he has with most of his opponents but getting "one up" on manny during the negotiation process.

I don't fault him for it.....his PPV numbers are very solid and he could ask for the lions share of the pot....just like he could stand unreasonably firm on the testing demands....but that won't look like he wants the fight. And with ALL THAT MONEY that "Money May" loves on the line......people are gonna begin to question ..."WHY"?:think

 

and Pac's arent???!:admin

 

Whats the diffrence of taking 14 days before and just after the fight?...Floyd just scared to get KOED.

 

Valid points. As for the commission argument, testing is a negotiable point and is not forbidden by any boxing commission or sanctioning body. So people complaining about Floyd not being the "commission" is also a bogus argument. Floyd had a right to ask for the tests, Pac had a right to refuse. Does that create suspicion? For some, yes, for others, no. I'm in the former category, you're in the latter. That's cool with me.

Floyd made concessions to Pac, so why can't Pac make concessions to Floyd? Why is Pac's "manhood" more important than Floyd? Floyd went 50/50 even though he has outsold Pac by a wide margin. He also agreed to 10 mil for every pound over the weight limit. So he's operated in good faith. To say that Pac shouldn't "give in to Floyd's demands" is nonsense ... it's a negotiation.

 

No...they are! But that's on the surface. For someone to just say NO....I don't want random testing when there are rumors that you might be is HIGHLY suspect.

But again....that on the surface. When you begin to peel back the layers to this onion, you begin to see things a bit differently. Manny didn't reject random tests at all. Just the timing of how close to the fight that the tests would be administered.

When you considered WHY the demands were in place it's a more defined picture b/c you would think that Manny had gotten caught doping, a reliable scource said they KNOW and SEEN him dope...or there was some solid proof that he is in some way associated with using illegal substances. But that is NOT the case.

The demands are in place based on rumors that were spread WITHOUT any evidence or solid facts to support these harsh statements. Manny is NOT american...he doesn't speak english fluently and I'm sure he doesn't understand Fluent english either.

You put him in a position where he has to defend against accusations that put in to question his character in a foriegn language and you see responses that are highly questionable.

On the surface you can get one picture......but when you take the entire sitaution that we have with Floyd and Manny, with everything that has transpired and you'll get a TRUE PICTURE.

 

And this is where we differ. Sometimes a spade is indeed a spade. To paraphrase Occam's Razor, often the simplest answer is the correct one.

 

Reposting for emphasis:

If Pac is juicing and he can beat the test, then WHY AVOID THEM?

Because beating a test is no more foolproof than taking the test.

 

Nah you're a jackass... That response is on the first page...:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Yall some slapping back mother****ers....atsch

 

They already have.... This situation is bringing out the worst in some of these guys.... Pacs got all these dudes thinking he's the boogeyman...

 

:goodI feel you Buzz.

 

Interesting, and pretty true. If a guy is determined to use PED's he can find a way, especially with a cutoff period. I say Floyd counter with 10 days and calls it a wrap if Manny agrees. I really don't see why 5 days would be a problem for them actually with Freddie Roach having stated Manny only needs 2-3 days to recover from blood being drawn. If this fight is going to happen, they both are going to need a compromise. Ultimately, we've seen the best Pacquiao has to offer and that's the Pacquiao Floyd needs to prepare for on fight night one way or the other. It's clear that Pacquiao won't agree to FULL USADA testing with no cutoffs, and there are so many ways to juke the system that the whole thing may be a lost cause ultimately.

 

Lol..i guess hes wrong on one part...he said floyd sayin my way or the high way is bs..

No it isnt...i think floyd will really demand a 6-12 day period and he will get it..

Thats if they can find someone who is willing to change their policies for this event...usada wont do it

 

UR THE BIGGEST NUTHUGGER ON HERE..GET THE FUK OUT..U SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ESB CUZ U MAKE STUPID COMMENTS:deal

 

Does anybody really care what Victor Conte has to say? The dude is a ****in joke.

 

Fighter of the Decade Awards: Pac 1, Floyd 0. Career-wise you lose.

Buzz Killington, there's a video on Youtube with the exact quotes from that article, so you can eat one too.

:happy