Victor Loughlin

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by CutThroatFade, Nov 4, 2018.


  1. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    This man should be called in front of the BBBoC to explain his 117-112 card for Zach Parker last night.

    It won’t happen though. He’ll be back scoring and reffing fights probably this weekend on the Bellew card.

    Look at the effect his despicable card has had on poor Darryll Williams:

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  2. Snowy1989

    Snowy1989 Active Member Full Member

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    Corruption or incompetence .
    Neither should Be tolerated
     
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  3. Tony Belloo

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    Shocking night all round for Victor 'God bless' Loughlin hideous score card for Parker and failed to spot the rabbit punch for the Taylor stoppage, time to pack it in.
     
  4. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I didn't see all that fight but his card was way off apparently. I do know that he couldn't wait to stop the Taylor fight, he was like lightning the first chance he got. I haven't seen a referee move that fast since Terry O'connor was at the all you can eat buffet.
     
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  5. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought he was awful in Taylor fight...warned the other kid for a 'low' blow which was on belt ,Taylor did the exact same sevonds later and he said nowt,then let the back of head punch go then stopped the fella who was fine and got to his feet on the count of 2
     
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  6. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The U.K. is now as bad as Germany or the USA for jobbed cards.

    These fights are not that difficult to score, as professional judges there is no other explanation for these cards to be so far out other than-

    1. An unconscious bias to favour the home fighter
    2. Direct financial incentives to favour the Home fighter

    It’s clear to me that both 1 and 2 are to blame. I think we need to rotate the judges more in order to avoid 1.
    There is nothing you can really do to avoid 2.
     
  7. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Teddy calls it out, follow the money

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  8. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'd like to see some investigation done into cards like this. And not just 'what a shocking card, something dodgy has happened' musings. An actual response from the board.

    Because there are enough close fights which could go one way but don't which suggest legitimate scoring still happens. You can't just say 'follow the money' or 'look after the home fighter' and see the result you want materialise. In recent times we've seen Lewis Ritson, Luke Campbell, Hughie Fury and Terry Flanagan lose on fairly close fights in which you could have seen them pick up an undeserved split win. It's not like those fights were blatant shutouts to the winner. And they represent various promoters.

    Not that I'm backing Loughlin's card of course. It was a disgrace.
     
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  9. billy nelson

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    Victor is one of the very best referees and judges the uk has, to suggest he’d do anything corruptly is shocking, the man loves his job and imo is fantastic at it
    I’m not saying I agree in any way with his scorecards in the Parker fight
    However I think in Taylor’s fight it was a good stoppage, Ryan simply wasn’t good enough and could have took a severe beating
     
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  10. TonyHayers

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    I think one issue in cases like this is that the vast majority of people commenting on the card have watched it on the same broadcast with commentary and a running dialogue as to how the fight is going. Everyone knows when you're watching a fight live you can sometimes struggle to get a feel of how it is going, whilst on television one guy may seem to be miles ahead.

    As I suggested above I tend to think if genuine corruption towards the U.K. home fighter was rife we'd see more close split wins towards British fighters. Certainly it was in the home promoters interests for Flanagan to retain his world title against Hooker, Fury to become a world champion, and Ritson to maintain his unbeaten record. And truth be told all could have been given the nod without too much fuss.
     
  11. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    That is precisely why he should be called in and asked to explain his card. You can’t just say “oh Victor is a good lad, he’s an honest man” and leave it at that. Otherwise he has free reign to do what he wants. His card was totally not reflective of what happened in the ring and so he should be ordered to explain it. It’s not a difficult concept.
     
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  12. billy nelson

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    Do remember there was two forgein judges in Ritson’s case
    And I fairness Lewis never complained regarding result
     
  13. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get that sometime people have a bad day in the office but the Williams fight was so clear to the point that nobody should have got that wrong. Absolutely disgraceful.
     
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  14. billy nelson

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    He has a free reign because he is trustworthy and an elite ref/judge
    Victor is the same man who gave sat hell the British title fight in a close on against butcher, so he certainly isn’t biased
     
  15. TonyHayers

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    True, but the point I'm making is that if British judging was rife with corruption, fights like that would more often than not go to the home fighter. Had Ritson won on a split there would have been some mild disagreement at the time, which largely blows over quite quickly, and we all move on to the point at which next time he fights, the previous win is written up as a bad night at the office against a tougher than expected opponent. I don't think Ritson won the fight and I don't think he thinks he did either, hence no complaint; it's just an illustration to say fighters taking on the house are given the win they deserve in British rings.

    You can say the same things about Hughie Fury against Parker, Flanagan against Hooker and Campbell against Mendy. Possibly Crolla as well to be honest thinking of recent title fights.

    On a wider point, I'm not suggesting corruption is rife; more than judging a fight can be very difficult and there should be a process whereby, when something like this happens, a judge is required to defend his decision under a formal review.