[Video] 5 Times Rocky Marciano Looked Invincible

Boxing Legends TV has stepped up his game, i used to think that his channel was overrated.

 

Invincible against Savold? No he looked pretty ordinary. Invincible against Cockell?Bert Sugar repeating fairy tales about the Layne fight, oh my! Nice to watch him go to work though, thanks for posting.

 

Marciano never looked invincible.

 

Except when he retired and his record was added up!

 

Oh, please your BS is always negative, what makes you such an authority on things, oh thats right you were around in the late 40's and early 50's. Arent you the authority that couldnt see right crosses or any rights that Louis threw or the power behind them or even why Louis didnt throw RC's at Marciano? Arent you the guy who is forever focused on a guys losses.
Now you're on Bert Sugar, about what he said about Rex Layne, everybody knows Bert was prone to exaggeration, so what. That ko of Layne was pretty impressive you must say, must you nitpick everything. He beat the guys they put in front of him who were the contenders at the time. Sorry he didnt fight prime time Louis, Sonny Liston, Lennox Lewis and anybody else you might nitpick about, they werent around.
Savold like it or not was a leading contender when they fought. I am not chasing after you or trolling you I am responding to your posts. Isnt there anything positive you can add?

 

Marciano beat who was around ,he could do no more. Rocky targeted Layne's soft midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so.

It isn't BS to point out falsehoods which Sugar espoused his whole career even to the extent of placing himself in MSG for fights he did not attend .Neither is it BS to point out that Marciano did not look invincible against either Savold or C*ckell.Marciano was castigated for his performance against Savold, were all the ringsiders wrong? Savold had been destroyed by an aging Louis ,he was 36 years old ,[one month off of 37,] flabby and having his last fight. and Marciano was filthy against C*ckell and would have run a real risk of being dsq'd today he butted, hit low, hit him when he was down, demanded and got a tiny ring and took 9 rounds to stop a fat light heavyweight whom middleweight Randy Turpin had ko'd. Was Marciano invincible against Cockell ? No.
Sorry if the facts offend you and you have to resort to personal attacks.

 

Marciano beat who was around ,he could do no more. Rocky targeted Layne's soft midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so.

It isn't BS to point out falsehoods which Sugar espoused his whole career even to the extent of placing himself in MSG for fights he did not attend .Neither is it BS to point out that Marciano did not look invincible against either Savold or C*ckell.Marciano was castigated for his performance against Savold, were all the ringsiders wrong? Savold had been destroyed by an aging Louis ,he was 36 years old ,[one month off of 37,] flabby and having his last fight. and Marciano was filthy against C*ckell and would have run a real risk of being dsq'd today he butted, hit low, hit him when he was down, demanded and got a tiny ring and took 9 rounds to stop a fat light heavyweight whom middleweight Randy Turpin had ko'd. Was Marciano invincible against ****ell ? No.
Sorry if the facts offend you and you have to resort to personal attacks.

This response will be short and sweet, nitpicking at it's best.

1-Really what does Bert Sugar have to do with this thread?
2-Where in my post did I say he was invincible?
3-Who cares what Bert Sugar says
4-Why are you so bothered by the title of the vid? The video was produced for public consumption, of course it would have a title that would attract attention. I guess you have to nitpick even the title of the show.
5-Like I said a little boxing knowledge would help, Marciano was fighting a crafty veteran who made him miss alot.
6-People expected Marciano to flattened Savold and they were disappointed he didnt knock him out he battered Savold into submission
7-And your saving grace the fat rotund ****ell, like it or not winning the commonwealth and British HW title got him into the rankings, blame the British board.
8-You bring up Randy Turpin, again a little boxing knowledge would show you that ****ell, must've killed himself making weight, that tends to weaken you.
9-Rex Layne was an impressive one punch ko. "Rocky targeted Layne's "soft" midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so." That's called being smart targeting the midsection to weaken a taller opponent. Layne was fit and ready only 3pds over his wt for Satterfield.
10-Rex Layne to this point, was 35-1-2, 24ko's. four months previous he fought murderous punching Satterfield in a war. At that point when he fought Marciano he some pretty good scalps to his credit and a darn good record by anybody's accounting. Layne was also ranked.
11-FYI Layne's weight was around the '90's, throughout his career.

These are the facts, yours are nitpicking there is a difference.

 

Please, see that I am responding to your posts. When you leave tracks(likes) when someone is attacking your posts, then your responses are open to interpretation. Let's hope you did enjoy them. Were they enlightening?

I actually enjoy your posts, I find them a challenge, so please keep posting. You know you are welcome to criticize my posts as well as I criticize yours.

 

1.Sugar only involvement is him saying something that was not true.I merely pointed that out and his propensity to repeat falsehoods .No apologies for that.
2.I never suggested you said he was invincible I was taking issue with title of the video, which I believe to be inaccurate.
3. My first reply answered this.
4. I'm not bothered by it, I'm just pointing out it is inaccurate .I've already said I enjoyed the content.
5.Okay you fall back on your usual MO because I don't have the same opinion of you I am ignorant of my subject.As I said before this is a constant pattern with you.
6. I know how the fight unfolded ,and to my eyes ,and the eyes of the ringsiders Rocky did not look very special reporters speculated that he had actually "gone back".
7.Why should I blame the BBBOC for Rocky taking 9 rounds to stop C*ckell?
8.C*ckell wasn't tight at the weight and he was getting 12lbs fromTurpin. and he had been stopped in 4 rds by lhvy Jimmy Slade being dropped 6times.
9. On another thread I said Marciano used the perfect strategy for the Layne fight, he targeted his soft midriff and systematically broke him down. I said Layne was soft in the belly he looks it on the film and reporters commented on it.I give Rocky full credit for the win, imo he ruined Layne.
10.Im aware of Layne's record up to that point.
11. I'm familiar with Layne's weight during his career.

 

I leave likes when Mongoose Dan makes a stupid personal comment about me because:
1.Even if he annoyed me, and he doesn't, I would not give him the satisfaction of knowing it.
2.I believe it p*sses him off to see his comments have the opposite effect to the one he intended ,he has since stopped responding to my posts , so mission accomplished!

 

If prime Rocky fights in 1962 and later, does he ever become heavyweight champ?

 

mcvey,
1.Sugar only involvement is him saying something that was not true.I merely pointed that out and his propensity to repeat falsehoods .No apologies for that.

First of all nobody asked you for an apology, and what does Bert have to do with the thread other then he was a commentator? And what does bert have to do besides commentating nothing.

2.I never suggested you said he was invincible I was taking issue with title of the video, which I believe to be inaccurate.

My question why does it bother you? They werent addressing the title to you the producers were trying to reach a broader audience. Really what's wrong with that? They produced it for sale.

3. My first reply answered this.
what does Bert have to do with the thread other then he was a commentator? And what does bert have to do besides commentating nothing.

4. I'm not bothered by it, I'm just pointing out it is inaccurate .I've already said I enjoyed the content.
The video was produced for public consumption, of course it would have a title that would attract attention. I guess you have to nitpick even the title of the show.

5.Okay you fall back on your usual MO because I don't have the same opinion of you I am ignorant of my subject.As I said before this is a constant pattern with you.

Why does it bother you, it's the truth, you said the scribes and you said he looked terrible, well knowing what actually happened and seeing it for yourself should tell you that Savold had something to do with that.
Like I said a little boxing knowledge would help, Marciano was fighting a crafty veteran who made him miss alot.

6. I know how the fight unfolded ,and to my eyes ,and the eyes of the ringsiders Rocky did not look very special reporters speculated that he had actually "gone back".

OMG seriously, meanwhile Rocky went on to win the HW title, retire undefeated, if this is gone back I would have hated to see what Marciano could do if he hadnt "gone back" lol

Again with articles, why dont you sit and watch the fight but I believe for you it wouldnt make a difference, you still didnt see the right hand, you still are saying that Louis was basically one handed, and that he had no power, despite clear visual evidence.
The scribe that said Rocky had "gone back", didnt KSAB, and of course you dug it up to make your point.


7.Why should I blame the BBBOC for Rocky taking 9 rounds to stop C*ckell?
They made it possible and put him up to be battered. If you are and you are basing this fight as a shining example of Rocky's ineptness, granted he didnt look good, but everybody since that fight to now knew that. What's new?

8.C*ckell wasn't tight at the weight and he was getting 12lbs fromTurpin. and he had been stopped in 4 rds by lhvy Jimmy Slade being dropped 6times.

See as I said the Turpin fight Donnie boy, might have killed himself to make wt, the Slade fight, being dropped 6 times. Really what does that mean. How can you compare the fights, it's unbelievable that you would even try.
Look at the wt's from the Slade and Turpin fights, seems to me he was having problems with wt. But I guess that doesnt mean anything to you. I hate to say it but a knowledge would help. Throughout boxing history there has been some tough fatboys


9. On another thread I said Marciano used the perfect strategy for the Layne fight, he targeted his soft midriff and systematically broke him down. I said Layne was soft in the belly he looks it on the film and reporters commented on it.I give Rocky full credit for the win, imo he ruined Layne.

Yes, so even if Layne had a six pack it wouldnt have made a difference. That's the strategy a shorter puncher would use vs a taller guy. Just cos a reporter noted his soft body, it wasnt even mentioned in the following report from the Chicago Tribune:

Rex Layne Knocked Out by Marciano (July 13, 1951)

Rex Layne

Knocked Out

by Marciano

New York, July 12 W)-Rocky Marciano, slugging son of a Brockton, Mass., shoemaker, knocked out Rex Layne of Lewiston, Utah, in 35 seconds of the sixth tonight for his 36th straight professional victory. Layne weighed 193, Marciano 185 1/2.

A long right hand to the chin with delayed effect chopped down the farm kid from Utah. He hesitated for about two seconds and then crumpled to the floor.

The victory sent 26 year old Marciano toward the top of the heavyweight contenders. He drew a tremendous cheer from the 12,565 who paid $73,190 in Madison Square Garden for his triumph.

An 11 to 5 underdog, Rocky knocked out Layne for the first time in his 38 bout career. Only once had Layne been knocked off his feet in a regular bout altho Joe Louis did it twice in an exhibition.

Had Layne's Number

Hammering his ponderous opponent with lunging right hands and then moving inside with head down to uppercut him with his left, Marciano proved to have Rex's number. Layne's eye leaked blood from the second on. It was a red splotch at the end.

Rocky took charge from the opening bell. Moving inside in his crouch, he nullified the power of Layne's crunching rights under the heart. He never gave Rex punching room. And that was the story.

A right uppercut wobbled Rex in the second and another drove him to the ropes in the third when Layne's knees sagged from another right.

Wrestles Rex to the floor

Marciano, sensing his chance for the kill, smashed home another long Right early in the fourth. He grabbed Rex around the neck and wrestled him to the floor. It was not an official knock- down. Altho Layne fought 'back strong, another long right shook him before the bell.

The end came unexpectedly in the sixth. Marciano slashed a right around Layne's neck. Then he landed the punch that finished the westerner. Rex seemed to move forward slightly and then slowly settled on the canvas.

Louis Can Hit Harder"

Jubilant over his upset victory, Marciano shouted he wanted to fight anybody including Champion Ezzard Charles.

"I stayed in close In the first few rounds so I could stop a few and get the feel of it," he said. Then I opened up. I got him with that right to the body and then a high right about on his cheek- bone."

"I never was hurt before the knockout," said Rex. "Louis can hit harder. I never felt right in training."

There was an Inch and a half gash over Layne's left eye.

All three officials had Marciano on-top. Referee Mark Conn and Judge Jack O'Sullivan scored it 5-0. Judge Arthur Susskind had it for Rocky, 3-2, giving the first and third to Layne.

Jeez, no mention of Layne's soft midriff hmmmm

10.Im aware of Layne's record up to that point.
I didnt bring it up to educate you I brought up to make a point which flew by you.

11. I'm familiar with Layne's weight during his career.
If you are then why sneak in "soft midriff", Layne was not fat had he weighed 200+ then you have a point. Since you always reach, this "soft midriff" is a smoking gun to you to cheapen Marciano's win. See your own smugness gets you in trouble, the wts are there for everyone to see, it goes without saying, his best fighting wt was in the low '90's and lo and behold he weighed 193. it must've all gone to his soft midriff.

 

The first 4 replies are just going back over the same thing in a never ending "ground hog day".I never said Marciano looked terrible in this thread I said against Savold he didnt look anything special certainly not ,"invincible". Well you're wrong about C*ckell's weight for that fight , he was a natural light heavy until he contracted glandular fever and then his weight problems began. Why are you showing me a ring report of the Layne fight ?I bought the fight in the 60's and have the original Ring magazine covering the fight ?
Nothing flew by me.I didn't sneak in anything, who are you, Marciano's self appointed protector, for God's sake take a chill pill Your making a mountain out of VERY SMALL MOLE HILL its tediously tiresome you might be enjoying it but its just a lot of circular BS as far as I'm concerned and as such incredibly boring.I baling here, I don't have enough time left to spend it on futile exercises.