[Video] 5 Times Rocky Marciano Looked Invincible

mcvey,The first 4 replies are just going back over the same thing in a never ending "ground hog day".
You seem to love that movie, why dont you answer what Bert Sugar has to do with this thread? And this is your answer.

I never said Marciano looked terrible in this thread I said against Savold he didnt look anything special certainly not ,"invincible".
Why are you stuck on bert sugar and the title of the video, it was a tv show why is it so hard for you to understand?

Well you're wrong about C*ckell's weight for that fight , he was a natural light heavy until he contracted glandular fever and then his weight problems began.
Ok sigh!
DC weighed 174 for the Turpin fight
here's is the weight after the Turpin fight
201
197
204
205
211
215
210
211
210
210
205-Marciano fight
218
211-last fight

Why are you showing me a ring report of the Layne fight ?I bought the fight in the 60's and have the original Ring magazine covering the fight ?
Cos you said Layne had a soft midfiff, did you forget and I was curious to see if anybody else saw the softness, and he didnt.

Nothing flew by me.I didn't sneak in anything, who are you,
Review the above.

Marciano's self appointed protector, for God's sake take a chill pill Your making a mountain out of VERY SMALL MOLE HILL its tediously tiresome you might be enjoying it but its just a lot of circular BS as far as I'm concerned and as such incredibly boring.I baling here, I don't have enough time left to spend it on futile exercises.

Wait you make statements and if somebody questions your views, or what you yourself post, they are making a mountain out of a mole hill, please. I am not Marciano's protector, I stood my ground on Lee oma and Savold am I their protector? Tell me whats wrong with that? You make a statement and someone response to it. I am not just willy, nilly picking on you. Talk futile exercise it took 300+ replies on another thread and you still didnt see what we were arguing about.

 

Rocky beat those 5 men up like they were unwanted stepchildren. Charles I and Walcott I were very
competitive bouts until the wicked, fight ending KO's.

In these last fights Rocky was as vicious, mean and unstoppable as Dempsey was against Willard and a couple
others.

Would he be HW champ today? No, of course not. But he'd be a terror in the CW division.

 

A BELATED REPLY TO Dempsey 1234 ON THE UNDERLINED.
"Charley Goldman had noticed that,when Brion fought Layne the big Mormon slugger had a weak belly.You can slow this guy down by going to the midsection"Charley told Rocky."Cesar couldn't do it,but you're stronger,I want you to get inside and pound his gut until he's ready to be taken"."despite Goldman's advice it was Layne who went for the body,from the opening bell." "Layne who seemed slightly flabby around the midsection tried to bully Marciano by leaning on him ".

 

At a glance I would say he beats Joe Frazier.

 

OMG, ok, let me 'splain. Goldman's plan was a good one, for fighting a taller guy, in most cases with a six pack or slightly flabby going to the body is key to sort of beat the resistance out of a guy and weaken him, common knowledge. Layne's weight for his last 10 fights including Marciano:
JJW 192
Roberts 195
Brion 196
Peterson 193
Satterfield 190
Cameron 197
Riley 194
Whitlock not available
Hall 197
Marciano 193

Layne had 38 fights up to the Marciano and his heaviest wt was 197, mostly in the '90's and early in his career in the high 80's. Really does "slightly" flabby in the midsection, mean anything? After all the searching to find a smoking gun, is this your reply? This is exactly what I mean about knowing boxing. First this was Layne's biggest fight "slightly" flabby means absolutely nothing, it's just a trainer giving a fighter a plan. Layne always up to that time fought and was successful fighting in the 90's. The last point he had a very wise manager who knew what he was doing, with so much at stake do you think a manager of Marv Jensens stature would let his fight put on excess weight? He might not have had a six pack but he wasnt fat and overweight either. It would seem to be the weight Layne was comfortable at. This is not rocket science.
So digging up this means nothing. The guy was 6'1, geez factor everything in, not just his slightly" flabby midsection, sigh!
Commonsense, and a little knowledge helps in this case alot. This fact should tell you you more, JJW 192, Marciano 193.

 

I said Layne was flabby in the stomach and that Marciano broke him down by targeting it you refused to see that and kept talking about his weight which indicates precisely nothing.I never said Layne was fat or overweight so why you have introduced those two terms is a mystery
This is what I wrote.

"Rocky targeted Layne's soft midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so."

And it is 100% CORRECT!

No mention by me of Layne being overweight or fat.

Brion was Marciano's stablemate and Goldman had spotted Layne's weakness was his body .Everything I originally stated is confirmed and born out by the new post I made and with direct quotes from Goldman. I haven' t dug up anything I was reading Skeehan's biography of Marciano while having dinner and came across those quotes and so I naturally posted them.You of course have resorted to your usual MO saying I don't know what Im looking at and patting yourself on the back whilst doing so.
Accept it and move on.

 

Rocky certainly had an off night vs Savold. He beat him from pillar to post but missed punches at time by huge margins. Even Ali had off nights so no big deal.

 

Everyone does ,as you say no big deal or at least not until that off night is presented as an invincible night!

 

"mcvey, I said Layne was flabby in the stomach and that Marciano broke him down by targeting it
you refused to see that and kept talking about his weight which indicates precisely nothing.

Let me ask you, what does flabby indicate? To me it is saying that he was fat. If you would have just said that Marciano broke him down by going to the body that would have been accurate. It would have been better but since you seem to have an agenda in tearing down fighters and looking for anything to hang your hat on. You used buzzwords, flabby, soft, slightly flabby, which indicate what?

Sigh! Why do I have to explain about the wts, it should be obvious? To you the wts for his last ten fights indicates nothing, but to me it indicates Layne was always at or near the wt he fought Rocky at, so the your buzzwords indicate nothing at all, but you think you are making brilliant points. They are not, see you may whine about my MO, but when you say it means precisely nothing, it shows your lack of boxing knowledge. Boxing 101, fighters fight at a weight they feel comfortable, and apparently Layne was comfortable fighting in the 190's. Before you come on and say well Goldman said this or that, what else was he going to say? C'mon you dont think Goldman knew what he had in Rocky? Rocky fought best going forward and throwing bombs, which is what he did.

What seems to escape you is that, Rocky being shorter had to get inside on the taller Layne, Layne tried to nullify Rocky's bulling by leaning on him.
You talk about my MO, what about yours? Your MO, seems to be about being spiteful, and cherrypicking to justify your position. Boxing is a series of moves and counter moves. There was absolutely no justification for bringing up Layne's flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection. Both threw and landed body punches, you seemed to miss the fact that Rocky was throwing home run bombs to the head from the 1st to the knockout round, they were the big factor in the fight. Rocky went with what worked for him throwing bombs, eventually one was going to land and it did. Around the 4th rd in the fight Layne gave Rocky punching room. Layne tried to adjust to Rocky's come forward style by backing up and that was a huge mistake on Layne's part.

to comeback a week later to point out that he was, "slightly flabby around the midsection".
Your MO says, that whatever you do there is an agenda behind it, so, please man up, and stop pretending that you are an innocent babe in the woods.

The mystery is that Marciano targeting the midsection, Rocky being Rocky went with what worked for him, and that was that crunching right hand.

"Rocky targeted Layne's soft midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so."

Leave out the soft midsection and tell it like it was Rocky was throwing bombs from the 1st to the last rd and body punching or not it was a good overhand right, that did the most damage.


No mention by me of Layne being overweight or fat.

None by me either, you brought up "soft midsection, flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection".

Brion was Marciano's stablemate and Goldman had spotted Layne's weakness was his body.

Since tactic's in a fight are a mystery to you, how else was Rocky supposed to fight? Rocky fought the way he normally did, going forward and throwing to head and body.

What Goldman said is true but it's true about most everybody, when a shorter guy is facing a taller guy body punching is a way to bring them down, to weaken an opponent. I am sure Goldman would have said the same thing if Layne had a six pack. It's not a revelation.
Why is it so so hard to give a fighter credit rather then go digging for something that you can hang your hat on. You speak about my MO
Do you compliment somebody by saying you have such a pretty face but for that wart on your nose. Why cant you just say you have a pretty face.

Everything I originally stated is confirmed and born out by the new post I made and with direct quotes from Goldman.
I haven' t dug up anything I was reading Skeehan's biography of Marciano while having dinner and came across those quotes and so I naturally posted them.You of course have resorted to your usual MO saying I don't know what Im looking at and patting yourself on the back whilst doing so.

I dont have to pat myself on the back, I actually watched the fight, and you can to, and make up your own mind about what you see, but you rather pick and choose quotes, articles.

Accept it and move on.

Exactly accept it, why do you rely on articles, quotes from books when there is visual evidence, why do you hide behind those articles and quotes when your eyes can see for themselves,why? Why do you need articles and quotes to tell you what you see. After 300 plus replies you still cant see the truth I expect you will always rely on articles to tell you what to think.

"mcvey, I said Layne was flabby in the stomach and that Marciano broke him down by targeting it
you refused to see that and kept talking about his weight which indicates precisely nothing.

Let me ask you, what does flabby indicate? To me it is saying that he was fat. If you would have just said that Marciano broke him down by going to the body that would have been accurate. It would have been better but since you seem to have an agenda in tearing down fighters and looking for anything to hang your hat on. You used buzzwords, flabby, soft, slightly flabby, which indicate what?

Sigh! Why do I have to explain about the wts, it should be obvious? To you the wts for his last ten fights indicates nothing, but to me it indicates Layne was always at or near the wt he fought Rocky, so the your buzzwords indicate nothing at all, but you think you are making brilliant points. They are not, see you may whine about my MO, but when you say it means precisely nothing, it shows your lack of boxing knowledge. Boxing 101, fighters fight at a weight they feel comfortable, and apparently Layne was comfortable fighting in the 190's. Before you come on and say well Goldman said this or that, what else was he going to say? C'mon you dont think Goldman knew what he had in Rocky? Rocky fought best going forward and throwing bombs

What seems to escape you is that, Rocky being shorter had to get inside on the taller Layne, Layne tried to nullify Rocky's bulling by leaning on him.
You talk about my MO, what about yours? Your MO, seems to be about being spiteful, and cherrypicking to justify your position. Boxing is a series of moves and counter moves. There was absolutely no justification for bringing up Louis' pic or bringing up Layne's flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection. Both threw and landed body punches, you seemed to miss the fact that Rocky was throwing home run bombs to the head from the 1st to the knockout round, those were the big factor in the fight. Rocky went with what worked for him throwing bombs, eventually one was going to land and it did. Around the 4th rd in the fight Layne gave Rocky punching room. Layne tried to adjust to Rocky's come forward style by backing up and that was a huge mistake on Layne's part.

Your MO seems to cheapen a fighters win's by adding things like flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection, instead of saying that it was a very good win for Rocky. Even at that time Layne was the betting favorite, had a pretty good record, had some very good wins coming in.

to comeback a week later to point out that he was, "slightly flabby around the midsection" and that Goldman told him to
Your MO says that whatever you do there is an agenda behind it, so, please man up, and stop pretending that you are an innocent babe in the woods.

I never said Layne was fat or overweight so why you have introduced those two terms is a mystery
Now how dumb is that what does flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection, say?

Rocky being Rocky went with what worked for him, and that was that crunching right hand.

 

"Rocky targeted Layne's soft midsection to wear him down and applied the payoff when he had done so."

Leave out the soft midsection and tell it like it was Rocky was throwing bombs from the 1st to the last rd and body punching or not it was a good overhand right, that did the most damage.

No mention by me of Layne being overweight or fat.

None by me either, you brought up "soft midsection, flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection".

Brion was Marciano's stablemate and Goldman had spotted Layne's weakness was his body.
This is not Rocket science, as far back as the as boxing goes it has always been kill the body..........
Since tactic's in a fight are a mystery to you, how else was Rocky supposed to fight? Rocky fought the way he normally did, going forward and throwing to head and body. Rocky did nothing different in the Layne fight or any other fight he was in.

What Goldman said is true but it's true about most everybody, when a shorter guy is facing a taller guy body punching is a way to bring them down, to weaken an opponent. I am sure Goldman would have said the same thing if Layne had a six pack. It's not a revelation.
Why is it so so hard to give a fighter credit rather then go digging for something that you can hang your hat on. You speak about my MO
Do you compliment somebody by saying you have such a pretty face but for that wart on your nose. Why cant you just say you have a pretty face.

Everything I originally stated is confirmed and born out by the new post I made and with direct quotes from Goldman.
I haven' t dug up anything I was reading Skeehan's biography of Marciano while having dinner and came across those quotes and so I naturally posted them.You of course have resorted to your usual MO saying I don't know what Im looking at and patting yourself on the back whilst doing so.

You dont know what you are looking at if an article doesnt tell you

I dont have to pat myself on the back, I actually watched the fight, and you can to, and make up your own mind about what you see, but you rather pick and choose quotes, articles that tell you what you are seeing.

Accept it and move on.

Exactly accept it, why do you rely on articles, quotes from books when there is visual evidence, why do you hide behind those articles and quotes when your eyes can see for themselves,why? Why do you need articles and quotes to tell you what you see. After 300 plus replies on another thread, you still cant see the truth I expect you will always rely on articles to tell you what to think.

 

This is too silly for words! Marciano had to get inside with every one he fought! Do you know something I've just about had enough of you telling me what I don't know about boxing.How many fights did you have? I watched the Layne fight in the 1960's as part of a super 8mm Black hawk collection.I posted quotes by Marciano's trainer to illustrate why he targeted Layne's body I never mentioned weights or anyone being fat.Thats all in your f*cking head! Now I'm stuffed up to the neck with your stupid f*cking comments,and the implication you are the only one who knows anything about boxing ,do me a favour put me on ignore because you're boring the p*ss out of me!Now on ignore.

 

mcvey,This is too silly for words! Marciano had to get inside with every one he fought!
Isnt that what I said,Rocky only knew how to fight one way. Maybe you missed that part.

Do you know something I've just about had enough of you telling me what I don't know about boxing.
Apparently since you CYA, with articles and quotes, and I can answer your posts without looking up artcles and quotes. Like I said, the visual evidence you deny is all I need.

How many fights did you have?

You said you had 20 yrs of practice, and you dont know about the shoulder roll which is a defense against right crosses, Louis had it, Marciano had and many others. Your claim of not seeing right crosses was hilarious, cos you didnt know why.


I watched the Layne fight in the 1960's as part of a super 8mm Black hawk collection.

Oh, in that case lol

I posted quotes by Marciano's trainer to illustrate why he targeted Layne's body I never mentioned weights or anyone being fat.Thats all in your f*cking head!

Somewhere you said something about you implied something? What are you implying here?: "soft midsection, flabby, soft, slightly flabby around the midsection".

Now I'm stuffed up to the neck with your stupid f*cking comments,and the implication you are the only one who knows anything about boxing ,

I dont think I ever implied I am the only one that has boxing knowledge, "Thats all in your f*cking head!"

do me a favour put me on ignore because you're boring the p*ss out of me!Now on ignore
Are you angry, why? I am not angry, when I comment on anything that I find interesting is that not allowed? There is nobody asking you to reply to anybody's posts or threads, so dont. When you make as many silly posts as you do, I would want them hidden away not prolong an argument for 300 replies and you still dont get it and still dont see it, or more likely you wont admit it.[/QUOTE]