Video Breakdown of Pacquiao's Issues with Technical Boxers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by victor879, Feb 24, 2015.


  1. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly, I laugh at people who make these excuses for Manny. What a joke. You just totally dissed Marquez basically. As if JMM had nothing to do with pushing Manny. It was all because "Manny was distracted," "Manny underestimated him." What a ****ing joke.

    You can lead a horse to water.......

    Don't shoot the messenger. I'll be sure to bump this thread after the fight. You're going to see Manny making the same mistakes he always has.

    And btw - you didn't respond to a single technical thing in the video. You just said "no no, it's wrong."
     
  2. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yea but maidana is so slow and limited
     
  3. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao has had a tough fight with JMM every time. These two could fight 50 bouts, and every one would be competitive and a war.

    At some point don't you ask the question: Why?

    It's obviously for technical reasons inside the ring. If you don't think Mayweather can exploit those same mistakes, given he is the far superior technician when compared to JMM (That's saying a lot about Floyd) then we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Nobody is getting knocked out in all likelihood. That leaves a decision to decide who wins. If you think Pac is out-boxing Floyd over 12 rounds, when he couldn't outbox Marquez, *shrug*
     
  4. zeratul

    zeratul Active Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao fans deliberately prefer to stay ignorant and avoid the facts. That's why most of them considered KO in 4th fight to be a "lucky punch". That's why they say "He's just uncomfortable with counterpunchers" and "he still has southpaw advantage".
    However, all Mayweather has to do is watch Marquez fights and, being even a better counterpuncher and having a longer reach, he'll neutralized Pacquiao completely. While Pacquiao is likely to be active in the beginning, in the second half he'll throw few punches and be afraid of each and every Floyd's feints.
    So, getting back to Pacquaios fans, what they will say is just "Manny is past his prime, Floyd ducked Manny at his best, Floyd was running all night long".
     
  5. jmarlow

    jmarlow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thats because Pacquiao clearly wasnt focused for that fight, his level of performance for that fight was no where at the same level as his previous fights, why? because he had other things on his mind. :hi:
     
  6. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Show me any performance where he dominated JMM? :hi: So it was about "focus" ALL 4 TIMES? :patsch

    At some point you need to check into reality son. There are technical reasons inside the ring that caused his struggles with JMM.
     
  7. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great vid, I've seen it before and still watched the whole thing through again. Besides what Juan's boxing does to Pac, I also think about how Cotto was able to control Pac with just his jab. Cotto had Pac at such a loss for what to do in rnd 1 that even though Pac had clearly lost the round within about a minute into it, Pac could not bring himself to advance, throw a punch etc. He literally just stood there for a minute perfectly content to lose the round because he had no answer to Cotto's jab other than just to run into it.

    It was one of the single dominating rounds Pac has had to endure, then his genius rookie trainer has Cotto abandon what would have him win the fight easily and just brawl Pac instead, leading to one of the strangest fights and biggest flukes I have or will ever see. Granted, Cotto's jab is one the best in the biz, still though, Floyd's got so many weapons Pac has no chance.
     
  8. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    I'm pointing out the unknowns in the bout. Despite similarities and Mayweather being technically superior, he does not fight anywhere the same style as Marquez. Marquez is more of a counter puncher who is slow on his feet so he waits and tries to match offense. Mayweather is fleet on his feet, throws pot shots and moves out of the way and smothers opponents on the inside.

    If you watched any of the videos where Marquez himself explains the style he used to beat Pacquiao he has said himself is that he tried to match Pacquiao's punches and speed.

    If you've watch Mayweather's fight history you may also know that he's had a harder time against movers vs plodders. For a long time Mayweather has said his hardest fight was against Emanuel Augustus. He had a hard time against him because he was an offensive mover and threw akward punches in angles.

    Again I think Mayweather is likely going to win, but it's not a guaranteed or easy outcome to accomplish.
     
  9. jmarlow

    jmarlow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you dont have to dominate someone to beat them, Pac beat JMM 3 times imo. but the third fight was very very close, Pac wasnt at his best in that fight and that wasnt down to JMM, it was down to the reasons i already stated.
     
  10. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JMM is a tough mexican

    I'm thinking that while Mayweather is no pushover, hes not tough like JMM

    When its get tough, its interesting to see how Mayweather will respond
     
  11. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have a Draw, a SD, a MD, and getting knocked out in 6. If you go by rounds won/lost across all 4 bouts... these guys are dead even basically.

    At no point, has Pacquiao shown he can dominate JMM. You still haven't answered the question as to why that is? Manny Pacquiao wasn't focused in ALL FOUR BOUTS? That is seriously your reasoning? :lol:
     
  12. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent response. :good

    I don't agree with all of that. But it's a well thought out and explained opinion.
     
  13. jmarlow

    jmarlow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no the reason for it is because JMM is an agressive counter puncher, who is very comfortable fighting southpaws and has an iron chin, probably the only style that is a bad match up for Pacquiao.

    which is another reason why comparing JMM and Mayweather is pointless
     
  14. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marquez feinted to get Manny to come to him, and then throw his punches when Manny was throwing his. Based off Mayweather's past few fights, or career... do you think he will brace himself like Marquez, go ba*** to the wall, and throw with Manny? Or, jump back, cover up, and become defensive?
     
  15. Windigo

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    When I see floyd fighting on the front foot like JMM I'll take notice. Watch the frist minute of that video. When was the last time you saw Floyd putting that much weight foward consistently???? This video only fools the stupid who thinks that all counter punchers are the same.

    Watch the video of Papa teaching how to feint.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sa7WoSse1o

    The Meyweathers feint nothing like JMM. They are too cautious. Marquez totally commits to his feints. The Mayweathers just use some quick body movement and are too afraid to commit to their front foot.