Video Breakdown of Pacquiao's Issues with Technical Boxers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by victor879, Feb 24, 2015.


  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I love these videos, but I don't know if I'm a fan of saying that if fighter A could do x, then fighter B could either do it better or simply has to repeat it to win.

    Here's why. For the sake of argument, let's say everything mentioned in that video is correct. Do you think this is a video we've seen and Freddie Roach hasn't??

    Do you think this may have been brought to Pac's attention, perhaps a year or two ago or sometime prior to the Mayweather fight?

    Do you think that Roach isn't watching tape of Mayweather looking for similar flaws?

    That said, I watched a video a couple of months ago regarding Duran fighting on the inside and it was a work of art, and fighters especially this late in their careers are creatures of habit.

    But all that aside, none of this means that Mayweather will have the same success duplicating this game plan that Marquez had. My personally opinion is that Marquez is likely faster at that point in his career than Floyd is now, and speed is the key, but we'll see. Safe to say Pac's not going to react the same way if Floyd tries the same game plan.
     
  2. JV28

    JV28 Active Member Full Member

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    The way I see it, you can't compare JMM to Floyd in terms of how they'll deal with Pac. JMM is a counterpuncher who stays in the lions den in order to land a counter, meaning he takes the risk of getting hit in order to get off his counters. Additionally, JMM is a combination counter puncher, meaning he'll follow up his initial counter punch with a combo, making him much more aggressive than Floyd who counters with mostly one shot at a time then goes back to a defensive stance. If this fight had happened 5 years earlier, I could see Pac walking through Floyd's one punch counters and possibly overwhelm him with volume, workrate, and hand and foot speed. At this point of their careers, Pac is a huge question mark. He's not as aggressive as before, either because he's older or he's just a more careful fighter ever since the Marquez knockout. We'll see on May 2.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To me the real question is whether or not Pac can hurt Mayweather, if he can, that's going to prevent Mayweather from opening up and his counters might be sporadic. Being aggressive and not being able to hurt Mayweather, would play right into Mayweather's hands. he'd be countering all night.

    I started off thinking Floyd had this fight, and the more I think about it I think Pac can win it, but he has to be able to hurt Mayweather to accomplish this. I think Pac has the speed advantage, Mayweather has the defense and countering advantage. If Pac can hurt Floyd he's likely take away the countering advantage, and you can't win a fight solely on defense.
     
  4. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some excellent discussion and points in this thread. Keep it up guys. :good

    Glad I could get a good thread about tactics going. Some very interesting opinions and insight.
     
  5. blackmoldz

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    nice video and true that time but Pac's experience will prove to be his one big advantage against Floyd.. watch Pac-Mar 4 again and see Pac no longer reacts on every Marquez feints..

    only problem was Pac got too aggressive thus the KO.. he probably thought Marquez has nothing left..
     
  6. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    JMM stated he saw the 'best Pacquiao' during Pacquiao vs Bradley II. Pac looked pretty good here, smarter.

    As far as aggressiveness, i'm not sure you can be much more aggressive than Pac was vs Algieri. I mean, Algieri was running and running from Pacquiao and he still went down 6 times. Granted, only one of those was a legitimate knock down but the other 5 falls were directly due to Pacquiao's relentless aggression, that caused algieri to stumble/slip as he was being attacked... Pacquiao was all over Chris.
     
  7. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course Pac was all over him. No disrespect to Chris, he's an excellent boxer, but he was not and never will be on that level. But maybe that's because they need to let him out of his cage more. :lol: (My God, I don't know if that phrase will ever stop being funny. LOL)

    I don't think that fight did anything for Pacquiao to be honest. A 'stay busy' fight against a clearly over-matched opponent. That fight was decided before the ink on the contract was dry if you kow what I mean. Not a chance in hell of Chris doing jack. I felt the same way about the Rios fight. Waste of time for somebody of Pac's skill level.
     
  8. blackmoldz

    blackmoldz Member Full Member

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    you only need to watch Pac - Mar 4 to find out.. no need to wait for Pac vs Floyd!

    and even so, i think Floyd does not change his game.. please tell me any instance where he changed his tactics in a fight that he hasn't done before?

    all the adjustments he made in a fight, he has done it before that fight already..
     
  9. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i have not watched the vid but im a firm believer in the art of boxing. i know slug fest are great to watch as fans but i always appreciated a world class boxing match. i still look at it as the classic boxer vs the classic slugger. i have mayweather winning the fight, i just want to see how he does it. but there is also a what if factor that favors pacman. its a must watch fight because its boxing at then end of the day just really never know for sure.
     
  10. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Truth. :deal

    I would guess that's one of the things many of us love about the sport. One punch can change the outcome/direction of a fight. You just never know if or when it'll come.
     
  11. bacos_630

    bacos_630 New Member Full Member

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    Bradley stopped boxing because he was still getting outworked and tagged. He did fine early on but Pac had began pouring it on by the 6th. Besides that, the pace that Manny fights at had him tired early and Pacs footwork made Brdaley hurt his leg trying to keep up. From then on, he became desperate for the Ko.

    Floyd will have to hurt Pac early on to keep him off him. If Floyd can't hurt Manny, Manny will keeping coming from all directions and with his activity level, Manny can get the judges to favor him.
     
  12. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. The short answer is while the video does a good job of showing Pacquiao's flaws against Marquez, he and Floyd are very different fighters so a lot of what is shown in the video simply won't apply. Floyd might beat Pacquiao in a different way but he's not going to be doing those duck-in feints, nor doing left hook-right hand combos, nor is he particularly creative with his punches, nor does he look to counter much during a flurry in combination. JMM is an offense-first counterpuncher, Floyd is a defense-first counterpuncher.
     
  13. Big-Business

    Big-Business Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Funny you say that....I've always wondered about these super real adjustments he supposed to have made in every fight! His past opponents for the last 10 years has been the same sluggers with one game plan! Robert G had a good game plan, but I didn't see Floyd super real adjustments... he just used his speed so Robert.G couldn't counter to the body! If PAC fights like jmm 4 , but smarter Floyd will have a hard time landing clean!
     
  14. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    MAN I LOVE BOXING!!

    This is what you call the sweet sicence! man JMM is a monster!! i dont understand how Mayweather beats this man 12-0. you could argue that JMM and Mayweather are the 2 smartest boxers in the last 15 years!!

    This video shows what i've said all along...Pac is gonna need a maricle to win this fight. hes not gonna be able to beat a pure boxer in Mayweather. its just not gonna happen and theres nothing wrong with that. Mayweather has beat everyone with only 2 close fights. I will manny SERIOUS PROPS if he can win 5 rounds. it's just that hard
     
  15. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    bro did you see pac-=bradley 2?? did you see how wide OPEN MANNY WAS AND OFF BALANCE WITH THEM WILD COMBOS?? dude hes gonna get countered at will...man this can get ugly