Video: Evaluating Floyd's Final 10 Fights

If Pacquiao hadn't been injured going into their fight, and if Mosley and Cotto hadn't been so old and past their best then between those fights and Canelo it's not that bad. But you can't just look at the names and forget the conditions he fought them in, or skip over the fact that he had the opportunity to fight them all in their primes and he refused.

Then when you take a look at things and he's fighting one good opponent every two years, it just doesn't look as impressive as his ball fluffers make it out to be. Oh, yeah he's the best ever. Really raised the roof. Meanwhile, between 1942-1946 Jimmy Bivins fought Joey Maxim, Bob Pastor, Lee Savold, Ezzard Charles, Anton Christoforidis, Lloyd Marshall, Melio Bettina, and Archie Moore. From 48-51 Ezzard Charles faces Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott, Jimmy Bivins, Joey Maxim, Gus Lesnevich, and Elmer Ray. In 1938 when Henry Armstrong was welterweight champ he beat Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Ceferino Garcia, and Baby Arizmendi.

If you look at Floyds record and want to say that it's very impressive then it begs the question impressive compared to what? Compared to who? To this generation where nobody will fight anybody, definitely. Only Pacquiao's resume surpasses it. Nobody else even comes close to those two. But what if say we compare Floyd's comeback to Ray Leonard's: Hagler, Hearns, Duran. I think that puts things in their proper perspective.

It's fine if you want to laud the man over his Canelo, Cotto, or Mosley victories. But if you want to praise him for beating Pacquiao then you ought to at least mention some of the problems surrounding that one and not just pass over everything like it was 100% clean no controversy whatsoever. And for goodness sake, if you are going to praise the man for his quality opponents then you have to admit the truth that half of his opponents were just plain ****.

I love Pacquiao, but Rios and Algieri sucked. The Marquez fights were competitive and close, but he should have lost the third fight and he got knocked out in the fourth. There was no point to the second and third Bradley fights after the first ass kicking, no matter what the judges thought. He should have fought other opponents like Thurman, Brook, Khan, Porter, or Crawford instead of wasting his time with pointless rematches. Who gives a **** about this upcoming Vargas fight? He had a chance to pass the torch to someone worthy and he's not doing it. We can be fans but we don't have to be blind about it. And I blame him more for how the Mayweather fight went than I even do Mayweather. There's no excuse for fighting the biggest fight of your life with a serious injury and that's just greed and robbing the fans. Any objective summary of Pacquiao's later career would need to take those points into consideration instead of blandly passing over them and giving him an uncritical thumbs up.

I think that to give an accurate accounting of boxers careers you need to be willing to show them warts and all. Don't white wash them and don't demonize them. Try to give a balanced account of the pros and cons.

I'll give you this much. While I didn't agree with your ****ysis, I did enjoy your skills editing the video footage as always.

 

You didn't have to write all that BS just to say you disagree. That smack you wrote is just your opinion and not fact based so you could have saved yourself some time and kept it short.

 

Vastly underrated in my opinion, I can put positives and negatives for each fight but the good for each outweighs the bad. Can't name a fighter in the time with a better string of wins.

 

What if Floyd replaced Maidana, Guerrero, Berto, Ortiz with Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Winky Wright and Kosta Tysuzu, then how does he do then?

 

Then he's the mother****in' man. Assuming he beat them all, added on top of what he's already got, that puts him the company of the very best of the last century in terms of resume.

*We are talking about the good versions of them, right? If Floyd fought Tszyu in the teens Tszyu would be forty plus years old, and Williams would be a paraplegic.

 

That an interesting perspective but Williams and Margarito has never shown to be better than Berto or Ortiz so how would those wins be soo much better?

Tyszu is a top JWW but was old when PBF reached 140 then lost to Hatton when a fight was in position to being made.
Likewise with Wright who was talked about as a JMW fight but never came to be, jumping two divisions is an exception not a requirement.

Maidana when he fought Mayweather had only one clear loss which was to Alexander. Vs Kotelnic it was a Split fight where it was 7-5 for all judges 2-1 for Andy. The Khan fight as far as rds won is a loss for Khan again I think a MD or UD that even with two 10-8 rds only managed to win 6 rds 114 by I think all 3 judges. People don't even know about thoses fights and just talk. From what I've seen its only two fights out of 39/40 that you can say Maidana has no argument of him winning.
Guerrero was mandatory something you guys praise, RG was a former 2 division Champ and 4 weight Titlist, was unbeaten 10 yes through thoses divisions, moved up and beatdown two top 5-10 WW to become #1 contender. As a mandatory he's better than half the bullsh!t that gets sweep by for the same excuse.

Like I said can lists pros and cons about each but overall can't name one fighter since his comeback who's fought better comp.

 

I'm not satisfied with Mayweather.

He didn't fight Sergio Martinez, Kosta Tysuzu, Paul Williams, Winky Wright and Antonio Margarito. Had he beat all those guys (good versions of them) comfortably, then I would say Mayweather is truly great.

 

He didn't need to fight Martinez unless he wanted to be up there with guys like Leonard who fought Hagler. But fighting Paul Williams circa 2009 would have been like Leonard fighting Hearns. The Pacquiao fight could have been up there with the Duran win. Margarito would be something like Leonard facing Ayub Kalule, good but not great. What would be really interesting about those fights is that Mayweather would be at a disadvantage in height and reach, plus a style that isn't tailor made for him. The best time for the Tszyu fight would have been 2003-2004, but Mayweather got the next best thing in Hatton. Instead of Winky Wright at light middleweight, which would be pretty good for the reasons mentioned for Margarito or Williams I'd rather have seen him clear out junior middleweight against Lara and Andrade after he took Canelo's belt. Or just clear out the younger better welterweights in Thurman, Bradley, Brook, and Khan.

I'll go on record that he's already great. But I have some caveats about how great he is. His resume has all kinds of holes in it. It's great but falls short in a couple of highly notable ways.

Bigger, heavier, stylistically more difficult. You seriously think that Paul Williams posed no greater threat to Mayweather than Andre Berto? The difference in their reach is 11 inches!

 

Say it right 118-110 forever.

 

If im not mistaken Williams moved up around the time the fight could have been made and then lost. If a fight with Mayweather would have taken place and Floyd won most people on here would discredit the win saying Floyd beat a guy coming off a loss and Paul was not that good anyway. As far as the Margo fight goes he is the exact guy\style you say that Floyd hand picks. Once he beats the breaks off him for 12 rounds you guys will just discredit the win saying and i quote "Margo is a slow plodder. That all Floyd ever fights". As far the Winky fight i will not address that since i do not know all the info regarding the making of that fight. What i see around here all of the time is people always have a boogeyman for Floyd. As soon as he fights said boogeyman (and wins) the excuses begin and people start a campaign to discredit his win. I have seen it over and over.