VIDEO: Fred Apostoli vs. Freddie Steele

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  1. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two of the most underrated and overlooked middleweights of all time collide, in one of the biggest MW fights of the '30s.

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    This was in fact a rematch. They had previously fought a few years earlier, before either one was champion, when Apostoli had only had about 5 fights and Steele had had about 100 (gee, brilliant matchmaking there... :patsch:roll:). Apostoli had reportedly given Steele hell early, but Steele wore him out and stopped him in the 10th and final round (it was the first time Apostoli had fought more than 6 rounds).

    Since then, Steele had won partial recognition as MW champion and Apostoli had established himself as the clear #1 contender. They each had basically cleaned out the division, and there was currently no other match for either of them except each other. However, perhaps remembering the tough battle a green-as-grass Apostoli had given him the first time, Steele seemed reluctant to put his title on the line against him. Eventually, they agreed to meet in a non-title match while continuing to negotiate for a title match. That is the fight that's shown above.

    The two rivals were very much contrasts in style. Steele was tall and rangy, very fast and skilled all-around, and could bang with both hands. Apostoli was a burly, heavily muscled brawler. In the footage above, Apostoli is the shorter, huskier fighter who generally presses the fight, while Steele is the lanky fellow who often bounces on his toes and throws combinations (I believe Steele also has a white waistband on his trunks, although it's hard to see).

    Apostoli pressed the fight right from the start. Despite Steele's wealth of talent, nothing he could do could faze Apostoli or slow him down. As the rounds mounted, Apostoli's tireless pressure began to wear on Steele, who found it increasingly harder to hold him off. Late in the fight, there was something of a controversy when Steele complained of a low blow and tried to get some time to rest. The referee didn't grant it and ordered the fight to continue. The film disintegrates before showing the ending, but the fight came to an end in the 9th round when Apostoli swarmed all over a weary and bloody Steele and finally the referee stopped the fight. Steele is reported to have finished the fight with, among other injuries, a broken breastbone.


    Post-script:
    Naturally, the entire boxing world agreed that Apostoli should get a shot at Steele's title. However, Steele refused to do so and instead gave the next shot to Olympic champion Carmen Barth, which led the NY Commission to strip him of recognition and grant it to Apostoli, leaving Steele with only the NBA recognition as champ. Although Steele defeated Barth, his image as a champion was badly tainted by this episode, and it actually marked the beginning of a surprisingly swift end for his career - whether because the punishment he had absorbed had taken something out of him, or because the loss had exposed weaknesses for other opponents to exploit; or perhaps, as has been speculated, his breastbone injury never really healed properly. In his next defense, he defended against Al Hostak, a big puncher but not well-known outside of his native Washington state. Hostak jumped right on Steele from the start, and shocked the entire boxing world by dropping him four times and blasting him out in only a single round. Steele announced his retirement the next day, only around 25 years old. He made one comeback attempt a few years later, which ended in disaster when journeyman Jimmy Casino busted him up and stopped him on cuts.

    Surprisingly, Apostoli's time at the top didn't last much longer. He went on to beat Young Corbett III, which earned him west coast recognition as MW champ and made him just one fight (Hostak) away from unifying the title. But while eyeing the fight with Hostak, he put his title on the line against ex-welterweight contender Ceferino Garcia, who scored one of the biggest upsets of the year when he KO'd Apostoli in 7 rounds to strip him of his title claims. Apostoli figured to be simply too big and strong for Garcia, but instead proved to have no answer to Garcia's superior inside technique and quicker, sharper hitting. Although Apostoli fought on for nearly another decade, he never fought for a title again and never regained the stature he once held; and his once impervious, Chuvalo-esque chin appeared to have lost some of its sturdiness. He tried to make a run at the LHW title and succeeded in toppling leading contender Melio Bettina in a brutal war; but he took another beating and was stopped in a rematch with Bettina, after which he returned to MW. He performed well in losing a competitive non-title match with a peak Tony Zale, but knockdowns cost him an otherwise close fight. After serving in WWII, he made one more run for the MW title. In his absolute "last hurrah", he succeeded in edging contender Georgie Abrams on a razor thin decision, but lost his next fight and then retired for good.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Good stuff. Never seen this before. Freddie looks really good there, a little wild, but throwing double hooks, setting up his right well, and moving very well. Apostolli looks just relentless and very skilled himself.
     
  3. Manassa

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    :rofl:roflI think thast mainly.
    Fred Apostoli looks a leeeetle too much like a hhhhhhuh. To LAUGH:lol::lol::lol:
     
  4. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, but I can't understand a word you're saying.


    EDIT: Nevermind, just saw your thread in the lounge. :lol:
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Ceferino Garcia must have fought the fight of his life to beat Fred Apostoli. Maybe Fred lost focus a bit too.
    Garcia was in top form that year, and probably better at middleweight than he'd been at welterweight. Amazing that guys carried on improving in those days even after 100 fights and more.

    Watching Steele and Apostoli and considering these are two of the least mentioned champions of the 1930s, along with names like Garcia, Yarosz, Overlin, Soose, Hostak, etc., just goes to show how great an era the 1930s were. And it wasn't like now where fighters make a big deal about moving up 4 or 5 pounds, everyone just fought everyone (more or less).
    Steele and Apostoli deserves more recognition, and men like Barney Ross and Henry Armstrong certainly deserves every bit of recognition that fortunately do get. I cant over emphasize how great I rate those men.
     
  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolutely. I'm glad My2Sense is uploading these videos, so that we can all see just how good these guys were. It's sad they're not discussed more, but at least they are discussed from time to time.

    The middleweight division historically is just so jam-packed with talent. Scary.
     
  7. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Garcia was very popular and highly regarded during his stay atop the MW division. Many people rated him as the top fighter in the division (better even than Hostak), and in fact it was Hostak who turned down chances to make a unification fight between them. His win over Apostoli doesn't seem to have been dismissed as a "fluke".

    Here is some excerpts from a NY Times report on the fight:

    This championship came to Garcia in one of the most savage ring encounters this, or old Madison Square Garden, ever had seen and in a startling upset.

    Apostoli was favored at 5 to 8 entering the ring and was solidly backed. ...But he met his master in Garcia, who could absorb Apostoli's best blows and who could hit harder because he hit more sharply and more accurately.

    Apostoli supplied some of the thrills with his dashing fighting against a punishing foe. Garcia, however, provided the big moment.

    The only complaint with his[Garcia's] station is its controversial condition. He has not undisputed possession of the crown once worn by Stanley Ketchel. Al Hostak of Seattle is recognized as champion by the National Boxing Association and it will take a battle between the two to decide the question beyond dispute - if Hostak can be dragged into a ring with the fighting demon who toppled Apostoli.

    But those who saw Garcia score this victory are satisfied he is the champion. For Garcia embodies everything that goes to make a titleholder, notwithstanding his long years of ring service and his 29 years of age.

    He is strong. He can box. He can punch. He can absorb punishment. He can adjust himself to ring situations as they develop, is resourceful, alert, cool under fire, a perfect fury when the tide swings his way.

    Garcia battered past the best Apostoli had to offer in four of the first six rounds. He won the first, blazing away with a volley of blows in a reckless onslaught that jarred Apostoli and foretold at least a smashing battle. He won the third and fourth rounds after withstanding a body raking in the second that would have crushed a less hardy, determined fighter.

    He came back and won the sixth, on competition and penalty, after having been thoroughly hammered in the fifth. When the seventh came he started by outjabbing his foe, quickly turning to a blistering fire of damaging, finishing blows, once he had stung the man he was to succeed as champion.



    The article does mention that Apostoli had to massage off a half-pound at the weigh-in in order to make weight, so I suppose it's possible Apostoli was having trouble making 160 at this time (which would also explain why he jumped up to 175 in his next fight). It's also possible he got sucked into the kind of inside fight that suited Garcia, rather than use the boxing skills that he was reputed to have. It also seems he was unprepared for how to defend against Garcia's awkward way of throwing looping uppercuts from the floor, and he was a standing target for them.


    The reason those guys are "underrated" today is, for all the talent/achievements they might've had otherwise, their title reigns were generally disappointing, or ended very suddenly and ant-climacticly.

    -Yarosz lost his title in his first defense to Risko.
    -Steele was crushed on a 1st round KO by Hostak.
    -Apostoli was destroyed by Garcia.
    -Garcia was whupped by Overlin.
    -Hostak lost in his first defense to Kreiger, albeit he did regain it.
    -Soose vacated his title without making a single defense.

    Sometimes, I think it might actually be better to have never won a title than to have won one and had a poor/disappointing reign. At least that way, you can gain notoriety as "one of the best fighters never to win a title", like guys like Burley, Bivins, Briscoe, Quarry, etc. do.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Putting all this footage up is a service to all of us Thanks.

    Steele looks so fast and mobile with fine power,allways looking to land something serious,Apostoli must have had a great chin.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Interesting stuff.
    I've always considered Garcia a tremendous fighter, so no shame in Apostoli losing to him. I never read the low-down on the fight before though. :good



    Yeah. And similarly it might be better to win the title in a "weak era" and get that old criticism, yet make a string of several defenses and get consideration amnong the great champions, than to fight in a fiercely competitive era where all the top fighters drop fights to one another at some point and no one stays at the top long enough to be remembered as being as great as they really were.
     
  10. SLAKKA

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    Thank you for an excellent post!!!
    Id never thought Id see the day where Id watch these two go at it and i've been a fan of both careers for many a year. As far as what prevented Fred Apostoli from becoming an ATG, it consists of the following sanero..
    He was absolutely RUINED as a fighter by the Pittsburgh Kid Billy Conn, first over 10 rounds then rematched over 15 with like only four weeks rest. Later that year Fred journeyed to Pittsburgh to face Glenn Lee and the entire Pittsburgh boxing press, all of whom were on hand for both Conn wars, were astonished at his inept showing. Conns brilliant mgr Johnny Ray further validated Freds deterioration in press quotes.

    Sure enough he never regained his form.
    Shame!
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Like you, I'm pleased to see footage of these two fighters I've been interested in seeing for years.
    My2sense has done a great job here.

    The Conn-Apostoli fights are legendary, famed for their brutality.
    Here's a picture of Conn after the 2nd fight I think.

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  12. Rock0052

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    I think you're exactly right here, as that's something I've seen happen pretty regularly.

    And that picture of Conn after the Apostoli fight is creepier than most horror movie villains I've seen, and that's from the winner. I can't imagine how brutal those fights must've been.
     
  13. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Conn said that if this is the winner, just imagine how the loser looked like.

    Here's another picture of Conn when he was in good enough shape to show up his face again:

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  14. Sam Dixon

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    "The toughest fellow I ever fought was from San Francisco, Freddie Apostoli. He was a really bad man. He was a great fighter. You couldn't make a mistake with him because he could box really good and he could punch real good. I thought he was really great. He was a real good-looking fellow. There wasn't a mark on him. I wound up in the hospital for five days he busted me up so bad in the second fight. I won both of them. I didn't want to win too many like that.

    The thing I remember with Apostoli, in the second fight I got in an argument with him. We stepped back and called each other all the names. I said, "Listen, you dago *******, keep your thumb out of my eye!" He says, "Listen, you Irish son of a *****, quit beefin' and c'mon and fight!" We were hot at one another. I had two paisans in my corner and a drunken Jew. So Apostoli hit me a left hook in the stomach just before the bell, so I go back to the corner. They start hollering at me for calling Apostoli names. They put the microphone under the ring because they could hear us swearing for nineteen rows back. It was being shortwaved around the world. I says, "Hey, listen. This dago just broke my spine. Do me a favor. Take this drunken Jew and the whole three of you go over to that *******'s corner and let me alone." Oh, boy, he beat the **** out of me. He could really fight!"

    - Billy Conn talking about Apostoli in a 1971 interview with Peter Heller and featured in Heller's 'In This Corner'


    Also, for the record, Freddie Steele's injury to the breast bone was a pre-existing injury that Apostoli only aggravated some more. Steele said the injury initially happened in the Overlin fight from a few months previous, and was the reason the fight with Apostoli was put back a couple of months til January. Steele was checked by the NYSAC doctor, George Edson in early November, and the doctor found that Steele had cartilage damage right where the right side ribs and breast bone met. It became problematic for Steele from then on.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Great stuff Sam.