Video: Fury is the lineal champ

Great video love going back in time.
cheers.

 

Rummy while I agree that Wilder and AJ have no claims to lineal the whole reason we're even discussing this is because them two failed to fight each other BEFORE Fury's comeback.

Ask yourself this: if AJ and Wilder fought this past summer how many people would still consider Fury the man to beat/lineal?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions#Heavyweight

Vacant. It's meaningless BS anyway but Fury has no right to be claimed as the man.

He retired and he is a PED cheat...

 

The same number of people who say he's lineal now. It wouldnt change.

Reason being you either think he is or you look for a reason to say he's not.

PED cheat?, retired, came back, Still peak?, Schooled Wilder?

Those 5 points help us decide but we all value them differently. That wouldn't change if AJ fought Wilder.

 

For me Fury vacated and has no claim on it at return due to the 2 year drug ban, Rums.
If you still count his "linealship" though then we get to the next question of this matter. "How much does it even mean nowadays, if the so called 'purity' is one of the biggest discussions out here"
If it really was "the man who beat the man" like so many claim it is, I wouldn't be much of a discussion at all. It would be a bit of a gimmick, but then there would be a real line, real purity. But like your video already shows, that isn't really the case here.
Even with most of the disputed lineal champions getting their claim resolved down the line in some matter or the other, there actually were different claims who were both quite legitimate at the very same time.

For me Fury is just a top contender, Wilder a beltholder and Joshua a multi beltholder and #1 HW at this time.
There is no Heavyweight Champ, and if Joshua and WIlder face off next, the winner is the new real champion.
If Fury rematches Wilder and wins, then he's a beltholder and we still have to wait to see who will be the next champion.

Lineal, if you can call him that or not, doesn't matter much.

 

But how much does Wilder's belt mean now? Joshua beating Wilder is for nothing now, Wilder has his L courtesy of Fury.
There's a new lineal status if AJ beats Fury and Wilder and his bodyguards are F all to do with it.

 

Not much, but robberies count for the championship so nothing has changed.

Some might see that fight as for the lineal status, while others won't. That's the whole case I tried to make.

For me there won't be a real champion (don't care if you call him lineal or not) as long as Wilder and Joshua, or the winner of Wilder vs Fury II and Joshua haven't fought.

 

Never in doubt!
Great watch for anyone with a passing interest in the greats of the HW scene

 

If you believe that Hart and Burns were ever lineal champions, then you do not believe Fury is still lineal champion.

If you believe anyone has ever been lineal champion after Tunney, Marciano, or Lennox, then you do not believe Fury is still lineal.

It is not about discrediting Fury, it is about crediting the lineal title.

 

So if Lennox Lewis came out of retirement now and beat, for example, Povetkin or Wilder or Joshua... he would still be the lineal champion? All lineal champions since him (Wladimir and Fury, Vitali's claim too) are retroactively wiped from history? Because that seems to be what you and others are saying, Rummy. You can't have it both ways.

 

I'm with you mr smoak but who are we to argue with Leo Mcgarry?

 

This guy flipped the bird to the entire world and went on a 3 year bender after getting the nod in a fight he won by landing less than 100 punches after 12 rounds. He blew his money on hookers and coke (not an unpopular option among young men plying a rough trade) and now he wants to pick it back up like it's the Monday following? It ain't right and I ain't havin' it.

 

Yo cheers for the shout Robney, I was only half serious, obviously, there are robberies and such and I guess the fighters just have to wear it!?! Wilder still has the belt, either by hook or crook, so it is what it is.
Shame for Joshua really because if he beats Fury next, IMO, he has beaten the #2 and rightful WBC and lineal champ so in my eyes it would be unification and undisputed. However, if AJ beats Wilder next, his official undisputed status is tainted by the shambolic judging of Wilder-Fury 1.
I agree with you that the lineal status has become very cloudy post-Lennox due to the Klit bros. not fighting each other and T Fury's long lay-off. AJ has set his sights on getting 'Undisputed' status, which is ironic really because even if he get's all the belts, there will still be dispute ha ha. It's a shame that the top dog has to seemingly wait and bargain with people just to fight him, they should all be knocking his door down for a pop but the only guy who seems genuinely keen to me is Dillian Whyte.....

 

I think there's a case to be made that Joshua's bout against Klitschko (where 2 titles were at stake) as well as his bouts against Parker (unification) and Povetkin (the top existing contender) could be characterized as #1 facing #2. All 3 of those bouts, cumulatively, make a strong case for a new lineage. Certainly enough for Joshua to be considered the man of the division.

Claiming that Wilder should have been considered #2 ahead of Klitschko, Povetkin, or even Parker at the time they fought Joshua is a stretch born of the Wilder hype train. Wilder was something of a paper champ prior to 2018. At the end of 2018...Wilder's stock has gone up but it's Tyson Fury who should be ranked #2 in the division.

Fortunately, now that Fury is back on form Joshua will have to face him. This will produce a clear lineal champ.