VIDEO: Henry Armstrong vs. Ernie Roderick & Ceferino Garcia II

HA HA. You said Henry Armstrong didnt fight for the Middelweight Title, and I have the quote and link to prove, you have been made a fool of bxing historian!

 

The fight was recognized as a title bout by the California State but it wasn't contested for the actual NYSAC middleweight title which was held by Ceferino Garcia at the time.

 

You are too ignorant to even know what I meant with my statement about it not being fought for an actual title. It was recognized as a title bout, by the California state only.

 

Oh I see thanks. What about the Ring Magazine? Did they sanction this as a MW title fight or was it just sanctioned under California

 

The Ring Magazine did not recognize a middleweight champion until Tony Zale became universally recognized as the world middleweight champion when he defeated Georgie Abrams.

 

If the fighters make the weight the title is on the line. It doesn't matter whether it is recognized or not. However, the fight was for the title, so you're doubly wrong. Moreover, the NYSAC title was to the NBA what the WBC would become to the WBA. It was recognized as one of the two best claims a middleweight could have to the title.

 

Listen to me. You have proven yourself to be a rat and fraud in this thread. Even if TheGreatA said that, who the **** cares? He may have at some point, but at least he's not a plagiarizing scumbag who calls others out on his own stupid, fraudulent mistakes. You're either about 12 years old or a socially awkward loser who's scared of what people think of him even on an internet forum. The only posts you ever make that have any substance are simply plageurized from other people's work. Otherwise you sound like an insecure little kid who talks circles. You're a ****ing insect who needs to be squashed. Nothing more.

 

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The bold is a little strong. A little much, I don't think that was needed or necessary but the rest was at least an awaken-er.

 

OK what happened was Steele was undisputed champ but refused to meet Apostoli (who'm he already beaten but had also recently lost to with Apostoli slightly over the weight), NYSAC stripped Steele, Corbett who beat Apostoli was recognised in march '38 as being Nysac Champ, Apostoli beat him in the rematch, Garcia beat Apostoli, Overlin (who Steele had ko'd) beat Garcia, who lost to Sooze who retired with the belt (Charles Burley had previously beat Sooze). Meanwhile Hostak ko'd Steele in 1, lost it and won it back from Kreiger, before losing 3 times to Zale. I think its safe to say Steele was probably the best of the lot and Garcia certainly shouldn't have been rated above Hostak/Kreiger/Zale

So I suppose Garcia had a claim to be a titlist but lets not pretend he was a big strong natural MW or considered the no1/real champ. He also wasnt that impressive on film and hasnt got too many top MW wins himself. It should also be noted Billy Conn twice beat Apostoli prior to Garcia getting to him. Garcia had been beaten by Armstrong 16months earlier at WW and by Barney Ross prior to that so wasnt really a fully fledged MW. Calling him the 'strongest, most powerful fighter at 160' clearly isnt true.

All that aside thanks for posting the footage

 

Nice footage.

 

I do think that Garcia looks impressive on film, against Barney Ross that is, even though it's a losing effort.

Here are some highlights:

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Garcia may not have been the best middleweight around however and saying Armstrong would have become the middleweight champion is a bit of an exaggeration. It's a bit like Roy Jones-John Ruiz although Garcia had a stronger claim having KO'd Apostoli.