VIDEO: If AJ becomes a 3x HW Champion

Yes he can and he shall by knocking out Dubious Dubois then he will win the undisputed heavyweight title and sign off by by knocking out Luke Tyson Fury in the Battle of Britain.

 

Winning the belt 2x,3x is a stupid acheivement and should not have any prestige at all. Think about what that feat actually means and requires. And the answer is losing. If someone won the belt 4x or 5x it means they had to lose 3 or 4 title fights. Whereas an unstoppable champ can never win the belt twice because they never lost.

I don't know what people in the 50s and 60s were thinking when they decided this was a prestigious honor.

 

Popped up in my feed and watched it before I saw the post here. Great insight as always Rummy.

 

I definitely don't see it that way. In the history of boxing losing and working your way back and avenging losses was seen as a championship trait. Never losing in some cases means never being tested. Basically if no one is good enough to beat you is it because of your greatness? Or lack of competition?

 

But this is an award that rewards losing. And to win the belt each time it requires an additional loss. At the end of the day if AJ wins this award he's being rewarded for the Ruiz and Usyk losses. If he didn't have one of those losses this would not be an award he could win. That is just a fact. Thus he is being rewarded for losing.

Misleading as various undefeated records might be the point of every fight is to win and in theory if you're successful at this every single time you go undefeated.

Boomers complain about participation trophys yet this is literally a trophy for losing that champions who don't lose can't win.

Obviously your critiques of padded records are valid. That doesn't mean losings a good thing. Thats taking it too far.

 

because when you actually get out there and do some actual living, you realize that life serves up some l's to everyone. everyone. some curl up on the ground and wait to die, while champions tighten up their laces and get back to take whats theirs. a man who has done some living learns to respect the men who dont stay down.

 

Joshua is Hearn's protégé and as such he will get as many opportunities as he wants even if Dubois defeats him, it does not suit boxing for such an athlete to be the champion because as a person he is a loser, so I hope and root for Dubois to win...

 

I think this whole "You're either undefeated or you're a bum" narrative boxing has developed over time is one of the worst things to happen in the sport. In pretty much every other sport you can lose and have losses(multiple) and still be considered great or even goat. Anyone who's been in a fight for the most part has taken an L. It's a fact of life. It's considered a boon for a boxer in those days because it was seen as a measure of heart. Whether or not you could get off the deck and win, or lose to the better man, hit the gym and come back and become the better man yourself. That **** is tied to the spirit of fighting. Now, have we had some guys come through unscathed on the professional level? Sure. And if we're being honest most of them get criticism of some sort tied to being undefeated. I think losing as fighter is bad if you can't come back and redeem yourself. Winning the title again after losing it is just that.

 

Whoever wins on 21st should be presented with a belt literally made of paper by their daddy Usyk.

 

Well its not just about Ls its about taking Ls as champion. And taking multiple Ls with each one giving you access to a more prestigious award than the one before did.

The problem with "0s" has more to do with getting a title shot and becoming champion tbh. So these are sort of seperate issues.

Having no unavenged losses is a better way to reward fighters for reedeeming themselves. Like Gene Tunney and Lennox Lewis. It doesn't reward losing its a diet version of being undefeated. They have a win over everyone you ever fought its not not being undefeated. You don't get access to additional prestige for every additional loss incurred.

 

Excuse me...isn't Olexander Usyk the guy with multiple HW belts, and isn't he from Ukraine? That's impossible based on your
"logic". Or is he the 1% of the time?

 

Funny thing coming from a guy on the boxing forum who will never achieve 1/100 level of success he did, lol.

 

I can see that but again, these things are I'm the eyes of the beholder. Is having a long reign where you're rarely tested if at all really any better than losing to other top guys and regaining it after pulling yourself back together?

 

Name how many other nations gets a chance like boxers from US/AUS/UK ?

Usyk gets a chance, because AJ had to fight him as he was his mandatory.

Dubois gets a chance by beating who ?

Why Kabayel, Bakole, zhang has to beat everyone and they still can't get a chance to fight ?

There is nothing special about AJ. he don't deserve another tittle shot by beating Wallin and MMA guy.