[Video] Laszlo Papp - 3x Olympic Gold Medalist

Jesus! This was like Ali v Williams!

 

I wish Pietrykowski would've turned pro. He showed he could be successful against all styles. Hell, every time I watch his fight with Cassius Clay, I have a different opinion on who won.

 

Ive never understood the few who think Ziggy beat Ali. He had a good opening round, and by good I mean he was able to fight very negatively, minimize the action, and land punches here and there while Ali was trying to figure him out. But Ali clearly took over in the second and never looked back. If you want to give Ziggy the first round I wont argue too hard even though it was like watching an old Hopkins just try to squeek by and steal rounds, but I dont have any time for anyone who thinks he took the second and the third was easily Alis. If you scored the fight like it was a modern pitty pat amateur bout you might have it closer but this fight was held 57 years ago when they were still conducting amateur bouts very similar to professional bouts so its no wonder Ali was given more credit even in the first round for his aggressiveness than Ziggy was for backpeddling and jabbing. Theres no doubt that Ali won more rounds, scored more points, landed the harder more damaging punches, and was the aggressor. How do you score that for Ziggy?

 

Incorrect, its was very common in that era for promoters importing foreign talent to arrange the accomodations or the visiting fighter. You are simply wrong here as you are on most of your other points which I will illustrate.

What? What does this bizarre fantasy have to do with anything?

Again, for the third time, what does Scholz have to do with anything?

We werent debating whether he was a regional talent, we were debating whether he was world class. He wasnt. He hadnt been in years if he ever was which is debateable. By the time Papp got him he was a faded old mediocrity who had lost overwhelmingly to the best fighters he had faced. Thats a fact.

If you actually believe the above you have no idea what you are talking about and given your touting of a sixth grade education and your sixth grade vocabulary thats understandable. Hungary's government was controlled and dictated to by the soviet union. the 1956 revolt was against soviet domination and was crushed by the soviets who maintained control over Hungary during the entirety of Papp's professonal career. I stand by my statement no backwards moron from wherever you are from is going to change that.

Articulate is not a word I would use to describe you. And when whatever country it is that you are from can boast of the accomplishments of the USA we can sit down and have a discussion. The fact remains that the fighters you routinely gush about from this era from Europe have neither the accomplishments nor skills to match your adulation.

Then lets compare their best victories: Webb defeated Dick Tiger, Joey Giardello, Terry Downes and lost a robbery in their first fight to Gene Fullmer. Thats three hall of famers and a champion. I dont even need to go down the list to all of the contenders Webb beat and Papp cant even come close to those names, but go ahead, list Papp's best wins, none of which came against a ranked contender.

You are wrong. Papp never was rated higher than #4. Webb achieved a #3 rating by the NBA as early as 1957 before Papp even turned professional and maintained a rating throughout most of Papp's career. In late 1959 Webb advanced to #2 in the ratings after Basilio lost to Fullmer for the vacant title. The NBA mandated that the winner of the Fullmer-Basilio bout fight the next logical contender which was Webb so Webb was a mandatory title fight for Fullmer. Papp never was a mandatory for Giardello as I will illustrate below:

 

No, Papp was not a mandatory. Papp was rated #4 by the NBA/WBA which was the title Giardello held. Ahead of him were Archer, Tiger, and Hurricane Carter. Giardello's fight with Papp was ELECTIVE not mandatory. Big difference. So as you can see Webb had a better professional resume and had reached a higher rating than Papp.

This is a bull**** statement from someone who doesnt understand how betting odds are formulated. Based on what criteria would you bet your hard earned money that Papp would beat Giardello? Because Papp beat a couple of fighters that Giardello had beaten YEARS earlier who were now totally shot? Oddsmakers use actual pertinent facts and statistics to set odds. They dont look at their favorite with little hearts in their eyes like a teenage girl and set the odds. The fact that Papp managed to beat some shot fighters that Giardello had defeated years earlier isnt germane to the conversation. What is germane is the level to which each fighter is performing. Giardello may have been old and may have been showing it but he had still beaten three of the top ten contenders within the past year or so. Papp had never beaten a single top ten contender. Papp was equally old and showing it and given the fact that he had never come close to proving he could fight at Giardellos level there isnt a bookmaker in the world, not even Hungary, who would have favored him. Bookmakers arent in the habit of throwing away their money.

Fernandez was a top contender who had gone 15 rounds with Gene Fullmer for the title fracturing Fullmers arm with a punch in a fight many felt he won. Calling him a journeyman to build up your hero who never even fought a contender is a ****ing joke. Comparing him to Folledo, who lost to every contender he ever fought is ridiculous. Fernandez would have knocked Folledo out without question. Id bet you however many klopecs (or whatever currency your backwards country uses) that Ive seen more of Folledo than you have and that Im in a better position to judge his merits than you are. Irregardless, the fact is that in 1964 Torres was still fighting at MW and I would favor him to kick the **** out of Papp.

Not likely. Papp never showed what he could do at the highest level of the pros. He was content to fight has beens and nobodys.

Or it means I simply dont care enough about an obscure german fighter who never amounted to anything to spell his name correctly in order to satisfy your sensitive nature.

Wait, so let me get this straight: You think Papp beat better opposition than Giardello? and you want to somehow elevate Papp by claiming that Giardello received gift decisions based on what? Evidence please or shut the **** up. Giardello proved throughout his career that he could fight successfully at a MUCH higher level than Papp who never once stepped up his level of competition during his pro career.

Cry me a river. He lost clearly by any standard anyone except a starry eyed little girl would use.

No no no, Im not letting you off the hook that easy. Dont sit here and try to back track now. You claimed that he was underrated and that we should take into account his amateur record when rating him in the pantheon of greats. You went on and on pretending that his wins over green boys equated to wins over grown men in their primes over 10 and 15 rounds and argued and continue to argue that his meaningless wins over totally shot fighters like Jones, Sandy, et al are the same as beating them a decade earlier. Nope. Dont slink off now and pretend you didnt claim all of this and that you havent been arguing that he had this great career and that theres this blurring of the distinction between amateur careers and professional careers. You brought this avalanche of facts and this educational ass kicking on yourself with your ridiculous assertions.

Oh bull****. Talk about arguing out of both sides of your mouth. On the hand your saying Papp was at a disadvantage because he was fighting these guys that stayed in the amateur system for years and then you are pretending that a guy in Papp who was an amateur for over 12 years didnt have a massive advantage over the guys he fought. Get real man, you are pathetic in the way you wiggle back and forth to defend your hero.

 

I've seen some mullerings on here but this one takes the biscuit.

 

A total and absolute massacre? Custer's Last Stand and Dempsey v Willard were more competitive!lol

 

Most of what you posted here is incomprehensible but the two points that I could actually understand were that Carter was a mandatory defense: wrong. That was an elective as Archer was the #1 contender and Giardello was criticized for avoiding him and taking Carter instead. And that Young Stribling was less deserving of a title shot: Wrong. Stribling had fought and/or defeated numerous contenders from middleweight to heavyweight beginning at least 8 yrs prior to his shot against Schmeling. Stribling had fought almost as many fights against champions and contenders as Papp had fought as a pro. In regards to Spinks: notice that I stated Papp had one of the easiest pre title runs of HIS ERA Spinks came along over two decades later when fighters where having less fights and faster runs to the title. For Papps era for Papp to get a title shot without ever having fought a ranked contender, thats definately not the norm, sorry but your guy was unproven snd certainly cant claim to be underrated.

 

Yes they do have different prices for locals and foreigners the foreigners pay more! Italy,in the past, has been notorious for bad decisions as has Germany. When was Giardello in Italy?

 

You are wrong. The promoter made Giardellos travel and accomodation plans. Thats a fact and you are simply going to have to deal with it.

What does Italy have to do with anything? You keep veering off on these pointless tangents.

If Giardello had been so cozy with the Mafia it wouldnt have taken him ten years to get a title shot in which he was robbed by a draw then another three years to get his next shot. As for these hometown decisions you keep pointing to please give us some examples and some evidence that Giardello won all of these hometown decisions.

He did? When Mullers people werent tying Giardellos hands behind his back Giardello knocked Mueller out three times in one fight in two rounds and that happened when Muller was a lot closer to his prime than when he pointlessly fought Papp three times. In fact, Papp was heavily criticized for taking the third fight with Muller because Muller was considered such a soft touch.

Christensen was not in the top ten when Papp fought him and he was not a "decent" opponent. He was a regional talent who couldnt even claim to be the best in Europe at any time in his career much less the world.

Giardello fought and defeated FAR better opposition than Christensen. In fact Giardello has more wins against opponents who were better than Christensen than Papp has fights in his entire pro career.

Listen dumbass, your argument was that Hungary was not a Soviet controlled puppet state. IT WAS. It was the very definition of a Soviet puppet state.

Amateur titles dont mean **** in the pros and Papp was never a light middleweight european champion.

Papp never won a title either and never rose in the rankings higher than Webb. Period. He also never beat a top ten contender. Webb absolutely has a more impressive professional resume than Papp.

Papp absolutely was not Giardellos mandatory. Go check the rankings when he signed for that fight. He was rated #4 where he stayed until he retired.

In the amateurs when Torres was a kid.

In the amateurs, and got knocked out by him brutally.

In the amateurs when Webb was a kid.

Who was a total nobody and unranked.

Who was almost 40 and totally shot.

That happens from time to time when you step up the competition. Papp never did that which is why he remained undefeated.

Then you have one vivid imagination.

 

Stribling defeated:

Mike McTigue twice while he was champion
Tony Marullo contender
Tommy Loughran twice, future champion and HOFer and contender at the time
Jimmy Delaney, contender
Johnny Risko twice, contender
Eddie Huffman twice, contender
Jimmy Slatter, contender and future HOF champion
Maxie Rosenbloom twice, contender and future HOF champion
Phil Scott, contender
Tuffy Griffiths, contender
Jack Renault, contender

Drew with Paul Berlenbach, future champion and contender

And he fought the fight of the year in 1931 against Schmeling.

Striblings record shits all over Papps by a country mile. He may have padded it out but he also stepped up frequently which is something Papp never did. Papp was a professional for 7 years and never once stepped up his level of opposition. After only two years of fighting Stribling was challenging for a world title and was only a teenager.

Regardless it was a different era as Im sure you know. If you dont consider yourself educated now.

 

No, Papp was #9 in the WBC ratings which nobody even paid any attention to because it had only started two years earlier and wasnt an offshoot of the NYSAC. The NBA was the only rankings anyone paid any attention to and that was the highest ranking Papp achieved. Nice try but you obviously either have no clue or are simply making it up as you go along.

Archer never was dominated by Pender because he never fought him. By your logic: You cant choose your opponent for a mandatory defense, Carter, not Archer or Papp, was rated #1. But he wasnt. You can read for yourself here:

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Archer was the #1 contender. Its a fact.

Giardello fought and defeated a much higher level of competition during his career than Papp and yes Papp did struggle several times with the lesser fighters he was fighting.

Im not concerned with who Fernandez lost to Im concerned with who he beat and he beat much better opposition than Folledo and even Papp.

Wait, so now you are saying that Papp was kept from a title shot in 1963 by the mafia working on Giardellos behalf? Before you start making bull**** ridiculous claims like this you need to back it up with something. You keep touting the Mafia as some influence in Giardello's career and if that were the case he would have gotten his shot at the title MUCH earlier than he did and he wouldnt have missed winning it on a gift draw.

Actually I do. I never said it was a ten point must system did I? Ziggy lost 5-0 and deserved that loss. Deal with it.

Amateur accomplishments dont mean **** in professional boxing. You can tout one or the other but to take a guy who has a great amateur career and pretend hes one of the greatest boxers ever when his pro career is lackluster is a joke.

 

Surely this Ral Al Ghul is a wind up merchant?
He's got to be trolling surely!!

 

He's been totally destroyed in every exchange with Klompy here, if this was a fight the referee would have stepped in long ago and rescued Rasta from his own stupidity!

 

Can't you grasp he is making you look ridiculous here? He's obliterated all your nonsensical points and ripped out your rectum! It's almost painful to watch such a one- sided drubbing, or I would be if you had an ounce of common sense about you.

Ali Baba maybe.lol